Doping

No smoking gun.

a lot of it just doesn't add up really, what he took, who knew, who he was with, the dates etc...

^Armstrong apologist. :P

A simple question Dov, can you recall what you did, day in, day out in the period 2002-2006?

If Obree had done drugs he wouldn't be gay now. FACT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That was a very engaging read. I like Landis (and make no apologies). I wish contemporary cyclosport had more interesting personalities, rather than the finishing school droids of teams like Leosayer Trek.

A simple question Dov, can you recall what you did, day in, day out in the period 2002-2006?

Pretty much, I was running very seriously and have my training logs. I doubt any Pro wouldn't have the same plus some especially if they're whacking shit in their system

Somewhere Taylor Phinney is wondering whether to bother having a crack at TDF glory...

@Dov - it's somewhat incriminating if it gets into the wrong hands though, no? I imagine the likes of Armstrong, Vinokourov, Contador et al pay someone else to keep a heavily disguised record of their doping regimes, as the Ferrari trial in Italy would seem to confirm.

That was a very engaging read. I like Landis (and make no apologies). I wish contemporary cyclosport had more interesting personalities, rather than the finishing school droids of teams like Leosayer Trek.

I found the article an interesting read. I found Landis to be pretty convincing. Certainly his story sounds realistic enough to be highly credible. I also feel pretty sorry for everything he has put himself through.

Interesting that he "would do everything the same and I would just admit it, afterwards", which seems to be working for that prick Riccò; that he will ride the Tour and Sastre and Menchov will not really annoys me for some reason.

Frankly, Menchov and Sastre should have thought about Gianetti's chances of getting a ProTour license *before *they signed for him. It was never going to happen.

Has anyone read Cocaine Nights?

Floyds description of Lance makes me think of Bobby Crawford.

"It's Not About The Racket."

Riccardo Ricco hospitalised with suspected kidney failure (!)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7349/Ricco-rushed-to-hospital-with-suspected-kidney-failure.aspx

Ricco - HTFU

I always thought their was some bad blood between Ricco and the rest of the peleton.

Unfortunately it's a couple of mouldy pints he found in the bottom of his suitcase and he's topped up with them.

Skit!

Just started reading Rough Ride by Paul Kimmage.

Anyone read it?

Yeah, I liked it.

@Dov - it's somewhat incriminating if it gets into the wrong hands though, no? I imagine the likes of Armstrong, Vinokourov, Contador et al pay someone else to keep a heavily disguised record of their doping regimes, as the Ferrari trial in Italy would seem to confirm.

What I don't understand (and this is a genuine question not an alibi for Armstrong et al) is how a doctor can get away with doping riders illegally? Surely it can't be difficult to find records of who the drugs were administered to? I worked in pharmacy (many years ago) and you could barely get prozac off the shelves without showing your passport - how can a registered medical professional dole out drugs without there being a paper trail?

Obviously with Puerto the names of 'patients' were covered up (albeit badly) but it seems that the witchhunt for riders should switch to the doctors.

^ getting hold of the drugs is not an issue; the expertise being paid for is when and how much to use and what else to take so you don't get caught when tested.

If Ricco dies the peleton might boycot the rest of the season such is his popularity.

I hope he pulls through, and gets a decent chance to restart his career in earnest. I enjoy watching combative riders, and don't want him to die.

Sorry for being so selfish.

I'd hate to see another rider die at an early age. That alone is enough for me to continue to oppose doping in sport.

Getting hold of PED's would not be a problem. I worked with a bodybuilder a few years ago and he used to get his wife to go and get him 'Supplements' from Russia, we were working in Kazakhstan. He also said theres chemists in Thailand which cater for bodybuilders and have menus with anything you want on it. In the US you can get stuff from Vets!

Look at it from a drug company's perspective too, can we sell more of our product to people involved in doping? If the answer is yes then you'd do it, you'd just make sure the paper trail was somewhat opaque, i.e. use a black market.

Just started reading Rough Ride by Paul Kimmage.

Anyone read it?

I reckon it's a decent read and a good insight into pro cycling, which (In guess) is why he's so hated. My problem is that he's just such a bloody bitter whinger.

I don't think he was such a bitter whinger in the book. He is now, of course. He's made a really irritating career of griping on about how it was, back in his day. THe thing I can't stomach about Kimmage is that he tried to ride clean, failed, rode doped, still failed, and so he chucks his bike in the canal and calls everyone a cunt. In a round about sort of way, he's probably made more money from doping in sport than many athletes, by crying on about it for twenty years.