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People taking pictures and filming with phones and Ipads are WAY worse than a DSLR. Even using a giant telephoto lens and flash, and blocks much more the vision of others.
And that's not the concern of the concert organizers, they just want to more people come to the concert. (As if anyone would prefer to watch the concert via youtube than see it alive.) -
Phones, camera, iPads etc at gigs pisses me off. And I'm 6'2. My gf is under 5' so can barely see over people's heads, when they're holding the fore mentioned items aloft throughout the gig - not just during the first few songs that the hired pros tend to work through - she has no chance.
As already mentioned, I'm sure the band would rather interact with a crowd of faces rather than a sea of camera phones and people staring up at the tiny LCD screens on them. Also, you think you're doing the bands justice by recording their stage show on your iphone/piece of shit compact camera, compressing it/adding some dodgy filter then posting on Facebook etc? I think they'd rather be represented by photography and videography carried out by professional people using professional equipment and shot from the distance/angles that only these people get to shoot from.
Lastly, how many times are you really going to watch the grainy, blurry, tinny sounding videos you spent the whole gig shooting instead of watching the gig you paid to attend?
TLDR: photography from the crowd is antisocial for everyone. The rest of the crowd, the band.
That said - whatok, don't go the way of all the press photogs I know, doing nowt but whinging on and on about crowd sourcing images until you find yourself out of work. Accept that the world is changing and try to change with it.
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Many venues and promoters simply don't want to pay for photographers any more. Why? Because 'my mate/that guy/my nan has a big camera'. It's a shame but it's true and it means a lot of hard working guys have had to retreat into weddings etc, regardless of their talent. This I admit isn't the direct fault of antisocial crowd photographers, but it certainly doesn't help!
How comes you can't film or take pictures in a cinema? Surely you paid for the experience and you want to share it? Even neglecting the issue of copyright, it's just plain antisocial! I despair when I'm actually lucky enough to watch a gig and some prat in front of me decides to show me most of it via his camera screen. Its invasive and distracting (two things a professional photographer is payed NOT to be). It's not really very respectful of the act, either. They're there to perform for you, in that moment. Not for your Facebook buddies. I
If you want to practice, or actually start taking pictures at events legitimately, just ask the promoter or the venue. You'll be surprised.
In my opinion, gigs are brilliant places to watch live music. But taking pictures of the band throughout is just lame and shows you're not really invested in the performance.
I understand taking a memento, but documenting the performance is being done for you by someone else who is payed to do it, and in all likelihood is in a better position to do so. You wouldn't take a bomber jacket with you, stand on the door and refuse people entry just because it's your hobby or you're trying to become a doorman.
You're conflating so much here. First and foremost. Deal with it! It's the reality of technological advancement.
This is in the same line as all Photographers whining that stock Photography "took away" from their work.
BULLSHIT. Photographers became the lowest common denominators themselves. They created that market and made it borderline useless, live with it. To claim that something as innocuous as hundreds of people at a gig taking pics (I fucking despise it, that's why I barge to the front) has somehow forced Promoters/musicians to stop hiring Photographers is a false premise to detract from the fact that Photographers embraced technology like a teat and sucked it dry before they even knew what lay further down the line.Don't dump "hard working guys" into it. Those hard working guys are the same guys that were outselling each other when the stock Photo market bloomed and then all of a sudden, each pic was worth 5p. I WAS one of those guys, and now I'm living with the shitty consequences. The Professional Photo world made its bed, and now it doesn't want to sleep in it.
As for copyright, a gig you pay to go see live. One filmed and dumped on youtube doesn't compare. A movie filmed and dumped online, you can watch on your fuck off massive TV at home. The comparison of the two with a baseline argument that it's "experience" you're sharing is plain ass bollocks. It's not. If you want to share the experience of going to a movie, why don't you film a dark room with people crunching around you. You're sharing content from a movie, not experience.
Actually, and I mean this in the nicest of ways, your whole argument is a personal rather then objective attack on people taking pics with phones at a gig. What the fuck did you expect? Seriously, if people take pics at a gruesome traffic accident and have no moral problem posting that online, you really think they'll give a shit doing the same during a gig. Cameras have been around for yonks, and so have the people that used them during gigs, they were just expensive. Now it's cheap and some musicians are suddenly angry that people aren't "listening" to them at gigs. You can't expect stage music to stay the same forever, move along with it or you'l be left behind. Once people experience a convenience, there is NO way they will go back to life without it.
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The way I see it, most amateurs are a bit crap. Pros get paid because they know what they're doing. Anyone who hires an amateur to save a few quid will generally get what they paid for. But a race to the bottom in all forms of media has weakened the pros' position somewhat - some pros can be a bit crap too.
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pros get paid because they know what they're doing.
hahahahahahahahahaha
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You're conflating so much here. First and foremost. Deal with it! It's the reality of technological advancement.
This is in the same line as all Photographers whining that stock Photography "took away" from their work.
BULLSHIT. Photographers became the lowest common denominators themselves. They created that market and made it borderline useless, live with it. To claim that something as innocuous as hundreds of people at a gig taking pics (I fucking despise it, that's why I barge to the front) has somehow forced Promoters/musicians to stop hiring Photographers is a false premise to detract from the fact that Photographers embraced technology like a teat and sucked it dry before they even knew what lay further down the line.Don't dump "hard working guys" into it. Those hard working guys are the same guys that were outselling each other when the stock Photo market bloomed and then all of a sudden, each pic was worth 5p. I WAS one of those guys, and now I'm living with the shitty consequences. The Professional Photo world made its bed, and now it doesn't want to sleep in it.
As for copyright, a gig you pay to go see live. One filmed and dumped on youtube doesn't compare. A movie filmed and dumped online, you can watch on your fuck off massive TV at home. The comparison of the two with a baseline argument that it's "experience" you're sharing is plain ass bollocks. It's not. If you want to share the experience of going to a movie, why don't you film a dark room with people crunching around you. You're sharing content from a movie, not experience.
Actually, and I mean this in the nicest of ways, your whole argument is a personal rather then objective attack on people taking pics with phones at a gig. What the fuck did you expect? Seriously, if people take pics at a gruesome traffic accident and have no moral problem posting that online, you really think they'll give a shit doing the same during a gig. Cameras have been around for yonks, and so have the people that used them during gigs, they were just expensive. Now it's cheap and some musicians are suddenly angry that people aren't "listening" to them at gigs. You can't expect stage music to stay the same forever, move along with it or you'l be left behind. Once people experience a convenience, there is NO way they will go back to life without it.
Nah. I'm lucky enough to work with people who really want to change live music, and keep it changing. So I don't know where you got that from.
The situation with stock photography isn't really comparable. Can't see how you think it is.
And my point was: if you want to take a proper camera into a venue, and they won't let you, "deal with it!". As is so popular.
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hahahahahahahahahaha
Because he thinks he knows otherwise.
But the fact remains, photographers mainly get hired on the strength of their portfolio and previous work.
I don't know whether you have any experience in professional or freelance photography excluding owning a camera and doing shoots for friends but if you don't know what you're doing in this industry you will be left behind without work along with all the iPhone and compact gig snappers. -
Nah. I'm lucky enough to work with people who really want to change live music, and keep it changing. So I don't know where you got that from.
The situation with stock photography isn't really comparable. Can't see how you think it is.
And my point was: if you want to take a proper camera into a venue, and they won't let you, "deal with it!". As is so popular.
- I never said all music doesn't want to change. The music I still gladly pay to experience hinges on continually pushing forward. Think Ninja Tune etc. The "deal with it" attitude grew from producers/venue owners or musicians that were too grounded in the old way of thinking which is "leech every penny". If " dealing with it" means giving up for you then you misunderstand me. I mean adapt. They stop you using an slr? use a rangefinder, no flashes? position for lighting. The list can go on. The crappy excuse of "Proper/Professional" camera is such a load of shit, you tell that to Capa who was rolling around in asa50 film and still shot magic. Go on Instagram any day, pick a good account and there are people that shoot on iPhone4's that would shame many so called professionals.
Of course stock Photography is similar, similar in the sense that it's the Photographic business model that is undergoing a vast shift in how it operates in a rapidly evolving digital era. My stock Photo analogy was to highlight the futility of fighting against the grain.
- I never said all music doesn't want to change. The music I still gladly pay to experience hinges on continually pushing forward. Think Ninja Tune etc. The "deal with it" attitude grew from producers/venue owners or musicians that were too grounded in the old way of thinking which is "leech every penny". If " dealing with it" means giving up for you then you misunderstand me. I mean adapt. They stop you using an slr? use a rangefinder, no flashes? position for lighting. The list can go on. The crappy excuse of "Proper/Professional" camera is such a load of shit, you tell that to Capa who was rolling around in asa50 film and still shot magic. Go on Instagram any day, pick a good account and there are people that shoot on iPhone4's that would shame many so called professionals.
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this gig photography talk is all bollox, big bands still hire decent proffesional photographers its only small venues and bands that don't, and thats where people tend to hire friends and their mate with a camera, my cousin and some of my mates had a band when I was just starting to be interested in photography and so naturally I photographed most of his gigs. I don't see anything wrong with that, I had a low end DSLR and was producing shite images. but so fucking what? i got payed in £4 gig tickets, if some kid at a gig is photographing his mates band and you're there looking down on him for doing so, who the fuck are you to do so? did you just start out all high and mighty in photography or have you become that stuck up twat since acquiring some more expensive equipment and learning some more so now think that makes you entitled to some kind of job that this kid doesn't deserve to do for free?
as for phones, its completely inevitable that they're going to be there who cares they're not taking away from your work?
most people don't even look at their phones and compact cameras when they are recording at a concert so who's to say they aren't appreciating the music.personally think its pretty douchey to tell an audience to put away all their phones and then having a strop if they dont.
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Because he thinks he knows otherwise.
But the fact remains, photographers mainly get hired on the strength of their portfolio and previous work.
I don't know whether you have any experience in professional or freelance photography excluding owning a camera and doing shoots for friends but if you don't know what you're doing in this industry you will be left behind without work along with all the iPhone and compact gig snappers.Agree entirely.
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Fuck people with phones out at gigs
I went to see an artist last year at academy 1 in manchester, so a pretty big show, who played a 'slow song' and asked everyone to put their phones away and enjoy the moment
and if he saw any camera phones he was going to stop the song and move on.
he barely got 20 seconds in before someone was filming him or a shitty phone flashed at him, he moved on
much booing, and he said he hadn't done a show yet that tour where hed finished the song
sad sad state of affairs.