Floyd Landis - further allegations

http://www.bahatiracing.com/TeamSite/about/floydlandis.htm

Zabriskie and Vaughters Twitterfeeds are silent.

Interesting to note that the BBC article contains no mention of Landis' allegations...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/8694452.stm

The only reason I think it is exaggerated is because with that many people knowing, surely there would have been a leak. There are plenty of people who want to screw Lance and it would only take one to open their mouth. And that thing about bribing the UCI, seems unlikely but who knows.

I gave lance the benefit of the doubt when he came back. His name carries 7 TdF victories, a multimillion pound charity and hope for countless cancer victims (sounds cheesy, its not). For him to make a comeback and be caught doping would be Armageddon, it's therefore very unlikely indeed that he is cheating during his comeback. In spite of this, he still managed 3rd in the GC at the ripe old age of 38.

I get fed up of people being accused of doping so my attitude is innocent until proven guilty, even if it is blindingly obvious. It will be interesting to see how this pans out though.

Been checking Lance's twitter all morning, nothing so far.

Vaughters has been quoted by the New York Times

“I don’t know what it’s in the head of Floyd Landis, what his motivations are, but I think Dave just wants to get on with this race. Dave can with this race. He can win this race clean, under any level of scrutiny. I think that’s what he’d like to get on with.”

Been checking Lance's twitter all morning, nothing so far.

He is on the east coast of the USA so is probably tucked up in his bed still.

Vaughters is the Garmin DS right?
EDIT, googled it.

Not to expose Lance because of his Charity work is bullshit - to my mind he hides behind this edifice he has created of the great charity guy, knowing that anyone challenging him is taking one hell of a risk.

Call me a cynic, but i find it dispicable that if he is guilty of doping he has used his charity as a smokescreen

He is. He's also a former team mate of Lance Armstrong at USPS and had an infamous IM conversation with Frankie Andreu where they discussed a doping regime at USPS as detailed by one Floyd Landis. The transcript of the IM conversation was used as evidence in the SCA Promotions vs Lance Armstrong court case.

Not to expose Lance because of his Charity work is bullshit - to my mind he hides behind this edifice he has created of the great charity guy, knowing that anyone challenging him is taking one hell of a risk.

Call me a cynic, but i find it dispicable that if he is guilty of doping he has used his charity as a smokescreen

I'm not saying that he should be shielded because of his charity work, I am saying that it would be even more shameful for him to cheat in light of his charity work. That's why I dont think he is doping now, the stakes are just way too high.

He is. He's also a former team mate of Lance Armstrong at USPS and had an infamous IM conversation with Frankie Andreu where they discussed a doping regime at USPS as detailed by one Floyd Landis. The transcript of the IM conversation was used as evidence in the SCA Promotions vs Lance Armstrong court case.

Do you have the transcript?

He's been proved to have doped, yet people still believe in him? Unreal. He's a complete and utter fraud.

Do you have the transcript?

IM between Frankie Andreu and Jonathan Vaughters - Road Bike, Cycling Forums

Vaughters wrote a really good piece for CycleSport a few years ago. It was explaining, from the point of view of a new pro cyclists, the processes they go through that lead to doping. The pressure for wins, exhaustion, the fear of not getting re-signed, etc. It really mirrored what Dave Millar wrote about how he eventually succumbed to the pressures of his team, and how he was taken under the wing of Massimilliano Lelli, who coached him in doping.

Now's the time for Vaughters to step up to the plate and detail what he saw himself at US Postal. If he stays quiet or denies all then it just proves that all his banging on about wanting a clean sport is bullshit marketing fluff for Garmin and nothing else.

Fingers crossed the records kept by Landis are enough to whet the appetite of the Feds as opposed to the cycling authorities. Let's see what Armstrong does when his Marion Jones moment arrives.

Wow!

Go Floyd....

This dude I photographed on way home last night is going to be pissed..... (yes it was a Trek bike too)

IM between Frankie Andreu and Jonathan Vaughters - Road Bike, Cycling Forums

Wow, don't know what to believe.

Now's the time for Vaughters to step up to the plate and detail what he saw himself at US Postal. If he stays quiet or denies all then it just proves that all his banging on about wanting a clean sport is bullshit marketing fluff for Garmin and nothing else.

I know someone who's had this conversation with Vaughters. His view best summarised as mutually assured self destruction, if he does come clean then LA will come gunning for him and his team. He doesn't want that.

Wow!

Go Floyd....

This dude I photographed on way home last night is going to be pissed..... (yes it was a Trek bike too)

I'm wearing a USPS jersey today! Was never a fan, but I got it for a tenner.

Wow, don't know what to believe.

The safest starting position is to think that all pro cyclists dope. There was a point a few years back where this was close to being 100% accurate with a few honourable exceptions.

The sport is getting cleaner but at the upper echelons, i.e. the podium of the Tour, doping remains the norm.

I know someone who's had this conversation with Vaughters. His view best summarised as mutually assured self destruction, if he does come clean then LA will come gunning for him and his team. He doesn't want that.

Just to get this right, you know some one who has had a conversation with Vaughters in which he personally implicated LA in doping but will not out it for fear of his team/ career??

The safest starting position is to think that all pro cyclists dope. There was a point a few years back where this was close to being 100% accurate with a few honourable exceptions.

The sport is getting cleaner but at the upper echelons, i.e. the podium of the Tour, doping remains the norm.

That's what I used to think, then I thought 'don't be a cunt Jim, have some faith'.

Gone.

Just to get this right, you know some one who has had a conversation with Vaughters in which he personally implicated LA in doping but will not out it for fear of his team/ career??

Yes.

That's some powerful shit right there.

wow.