Floyd Landis - further allegations

No thanks. I don't use the horse.

An overdose of heroin is fatal - in the short term. But there has been no research whatsoever into long term effects.

Latest tweet from Mr Landis made me laugh.

"Shit! Fuck LNDD Fuck USADA Fuck J.Papp Fuck P.McQuaid and Fuck You!"

oh hang on, he's forgotten someone, so he's retweeted..brill!

"Shit! Fuck LNDD Fuck USADA Fuck J.Papp Fuck P.McQuaid Fuck T.Tygart and Fuck You"

^ Sounds like he's topped up on the Testosterone...

It's a sorry tale. If he'd taken Lemond's advice and confessed then he'd be in a better place than he is now. The rumoured book must be getting a step closer each day.

Floyd Landis in 5 years time:
http://lefthandcrank.wordpress.com/

Bump.

Landis email might cause a shit storm...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703691804575255410855321120.html

Might? I think that's an understatement. His statements are very, very detailed.

Expect the Retirement Shack line to be "he's bitter and twisted and is just saying whatever comes into his head to get publicity".

fuck yeah this sounds promising if hes willing to stand up and testify, though there may not be a proffesional; peloton left afterwards......

Might? I think that's an understatement. His statements are very, very detailed.

See.

2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel
during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a
helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San
Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg
patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week
later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be
transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not
witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on
our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution
of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the
inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in
the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari,
who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he
did not believe Mr Farrari and contin
ued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

2003: After a broken hip in the winter, I flew to Gerona Spain where this
time two units (half a liter each) were extracted three weeks apart. This
took place in the apartment in which Mr. Armstrong lived and in which I was
asked to stay and check the blood temperature every day. It was kept in a
small refrigerator in the closet allong with the blood of Mr Armstrong and
George Hincapie and since Mr. Armstrong was planning on being gone for a few
weeks to train he asked me to stay in his place and make sure the
electricity didn't turn off or something go wrong with the referigerator.
Then during the Tour de France the entire team, on two different occasions
went to the room that we were told and the doctor met us there to do the
transfusions. During that Tour de France I personally witnessed George
Hincapie, Lance Armstrong, Chechu Rubiera, and myself receiving blood
transfusions. Also during that Tour de France the team doctor would give my
room mate, George Hincapie an
d I a small syringe of olive oil in which was disolved andriol, a form of
ingestible testosterone on two out of three nights throughout the duration.

I was asked to ride the Vuelta a Espana that year in support of Roberto
Heras and in August, between the Tour and the Vuelta, was told to take EPO
to raise my hematocrit back up so more blood transfusions could be
performed. I was instructed to go to Lances place by Johan Bruyneel and get
some EPO from him. The first EPO I ever used was then handed to me in the
entry way to his building in full view of his then wife. It was Eprex by
brand and it came in six pre measured syringes. I used it intravenously for
several weeks before the next blood draw and had no problems with the tests
during the Vuelta. Also during this time it was explained to me how to use
Human Growth Hormone by Johan Bruyneel and I bought what I needed from Pepe
the team "trainer" who lived in Valencia along with the team doctor at that
time. While training for that Vuelta I spent a good deal of time training
with Matthew White and Michael Barry and shared the testosterone and EPO
that we had and discu
ssed the use thereof while training.

Again, during the Vuelta we were given Andriol and blood transfusions by the
team doctor and had no problems with any testing.

2004: Again the team performed two seperate blood transfusions on me, but
this time Bruyneel had become more paranoid and we did the draws by flying
to Belgium and meeting at an unknown persons appartment and the blood was
brought by "Duffy" who was at that time Johans assistant of sorts. The
second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of
a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine
trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the
entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time
that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the
other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong, George
Hincapie and I as the only Americans.

2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion
technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant
to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare
the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper
temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my
hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before
the start so as to not start with a deficit.

2006: Well you get the idea....... One thing of great signigicance is that
I sat down with Andy Riis and explained to him what was done in the past and
what was the risk I would be taking and ask for his permission which he
granted in the form of funds to complete the operation described. John
Lelangue was also informed by me and Andy Riis consulted with Jim Ochowitz
before agreeing.

There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the
process of writing into an intelligible story but since the position of USA
Cycling is that there have not been enough details shared to justify calling
USADA, I am writing as many as I can reasonably put into an email and share
with you so as to ascertain what is the process which USA Cycling uses to
proceed with such allegations.

Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can
be trusted to do the right thing.

Floyd Landis

ha! retirement Shack

He's probably telling the truth, but without material proof he's just slinging the shit around, which cycling doesn't need.
The gargoyle-faced fucker screamed denials for two years solid, claiming all kinds of conspiracies against him. The he goes and prank calls LeMond, taking piss out of him being molested as a kid.
Now he decides to fess up, and drag names down with him.
Very poor show, in my book.

Floyd Landis. My Hero.

@GL - Landis' book will be a much more interesting read.

Where do you stand on bullying and intimidation?

Meaning?

Meaning you seem happy to condone someone for spilling the beans yet are happy for others to harrass that person to try and prevent them from doing so.

He's probably telling the truth, but without material proof he's just slinging the shit around, which cycling doesn't need.
The gargoyle-faced fucker screamed denials for two years solid, claiming all kinds of conspiracies against him. The he goes and prank calls LeMond, taking piss out of him being molested as a kid.
Now he decides to fess up, and drag names down with him.
Very poor show, in my book.

And there's the rub no 'material proof'. I'm glad he's admitted it and I presume he's sorry and regrets it unlike some other dopers we could mention and who may have lost 12 minutes in the Giro yesterday for example.

For me one of the worrying things is the allegation of UCI collusion:

"he [Armstrong] had been told by Mr Ferrari, who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he did not believe Mr Farrari and continued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden. "

Maybe I've missed this aspect of it (I have to admit I went off pro cycling and related politics when Armstrong kept winning) but was this why a lot of people were trying to hinder WADA or was it the other way round?

Sylvia Schenk, a lawyer and former cyclist who was president of the German Cycling Federation, alleged that a donation made by Lance Armstrong to the UCI, apparently to help the fight against doping, ended up in the then President of the UCI, Hein Verbruggen's pockets.

If Landis' allegations are true, then we can see what it was for now.

I doubt Landis really regrets doping, he probably feels hard done by being caught and banned when it is so commonplace in the peloton (just like the majority of caught riders). He also realises that as he is getting to the end of his cycling career andwont be making much money out of it anymore, now is the time to spill the beans - his book is gonna sell like nobodys' business

i dont really care what the reason for this is though, it is a good thing

I don't condone him spilling the beans, as long as he has evidence to back it up.
If he has evidence I would be happy to see anyone involved banned from cycling for life.

It just seems that he is out to flog juicy information in yet another cycling/doping book.

He may have been harassed and bullied by people like Armstrong, I honestly don't know about that. All I know is that he cheated, massively. He paid the price, but he lied time and again in court, claiming innocence throughout the trial, even after his own father in law commited suicide in the face of the allegations about Landis.

I doubt Landis really regrets doping, he probably feels hard done by being caught and banned when it is so commonplace in the peloton (just like the majority of caught riders). He also realises that as he is getting to the end of his cycling career andwont be making much money out of it anymore, now is the time to spill the beans - his book is gonna sell like nobodys' business

i dont really care what the reason for this is though, it is a good thing

'Caution may have side effects'

1. You become 7 times TDF Winner
   
2. You get ousted by the Cycling World only to whistleblow for book sales.
   
   

Duality of Man.

This seems highly dubious, deny it for two years then whistle blow? It seems unlikely that all of those people in his account knew about the doping and not 1 of them leaked. I'm not denying it happened, or saying it did. I just think whatever this email says, it is a massive exaggeration of the truth.

I just think whatever this email says, it is a massive exaggeration of the truth.

Really ? It's how I always imagined it

Regardless, nothing is going to sick without evidence, not when you're going up against both Armstrong and the UCI.

Of them all, I'd be most disappointed in Zabriskie doping. We all know Lance did, Hincapie somehow turned into a mountain domestique for the Tour after doing the Classics, Leipheimer was part of the Armstrong inner circle, but Zabriskie has always been outspoken about doping.
Really hope it's untrue, but for me some of the shit has already stuck.
Still, I somehow can't stop loving the sport.
Beer, crisps and Giro tonight. Ace.

Zabriskie rode for USPS and CSC. If he remained clean throughout that then he is a man of commendable character. Anecdotal evidence would suggest that he didn't as he's been a shadow of the rider he once was since he joined Garmin.