The bickering and feuding... it stops

Anyway, the upgrade on the server worked, so you could say that we haven't lost Pisty at all.

Right, either i'm definitely a thicko or this makes no sense.

I think the latter.

Bikes are fucking awesome aren't they.

There are threads for weirdos like you. Now beat it before you get reported.

Pistanator is definitely good vaue and the forum will be poorer without him.

The 'feud' with Donut! and the little jibes that accompany it (on both sides) are getting tiresome and sad.I am wholeheartedly against moderation, in fact that is what attracted me here as my usual haunt was becoming a police state, but I think it reached a point where something had to be done.

Self-moderation hasn't worked here, I don't think banning Pistanator was the right move either, but as noted many times above the spitefulness is ugly. The best solution I have seen so far is an enforced ignore for both of them, although I would hope both are mature enough just to get on with it. And stop being cunts.

Probably, maybe even most definitely, right on both counts. But something had to give, and it was DK's call. I didn't envy him, as it was never going to be a totally popular choice.

Anyway, the upgrade on the server worked, so you could say that we haven't lost Pisty at all. His words will always be there for us to cherish. And, those who are personal friends with him, will no doubt still meet him at Kennedy's or Southies.

This meant, though he is not taking part, his previous writings and musings are not lost to us.......as has happened to all of us in the
week-that-never-was (server upgrade failure).

Why not ban everyone so we can cherish each others words without having to worry about people being offended?

I might just ban myself (for a while).
Goodnight.

ashe, i know we have met a few times, that is why i feel familiar enough to call you by your name. i just don't think banning pistanator was a good idea. this doesn't mean i am condoning spite. it means i am not condoning this kind of moderation.

for the record i state again that i don't think spite has really much occurred here. though it is not for me to say how others feel about it.

i think this forum is an awesome place. and i think pistanator has and should be a part of that. if he still wants to be.

and the extent of velocio's intervention in the matter had already been reached with the inclusion of the 'ignore' button.

Now that things have taken a more rational slant, I feel I can speak rationally without being swamped in puns...

Throughout all this, I've never understood the animosity towards 'Epifania'. People talk about a three-way feud between Donut!, Pistanator and her, but I've never seen her be anything but polite, respectful and totally evasive when it comes to any kind of conflict. I see a two-way feud, where Pistanator uses Epifania to rile Donut!, but in no way have I ever seen her be antagonistic or aggressive in any way. If I'm mistaken, maybe someone can show me how?

In recent months, I've witnessed some personal attacks by a number of members that are either directly and unashamedly aimed at her, or are so thinly veiled as to be left in no doubt as to the target. As I asked in the other thread, what has she done to deserve this? She doesn't even post on the site anymore, yet still this stuff's going on - and why? Have people really, as Ashe has suggested, sunk so low as to attack someone in some misguided attempt to make them feel good about themselves? Are your lives really that sad?

This isn't 'just a bit of fun' or 'just the internet innit' - there's genuine, yet unjustified, hatred oozing out of these threads and posts and it permeates the rest of the forum in a way that can't be avoided by clicking 'ignore'.

I fully expect this post to get lost in a flood of namecalling, puns or pisstaking, but I'm hoping the people responsible will respect my rational approach and respond in kind - that or show themselves to be the pathetic bullies I've come to see them as. Maybe you can prove me wrong?

Now that things have taken a more rational slant, I feel I can speak rationally without being swamped in puns...

Throughout all this, I've never understood the animosity towards 'Epifania'. People talk about a three-way feud between Donut!, Pistanator and her, but I've never seen her be anything but polite, respectful and totally evasive when it comes to any kind of conflict. I see a two-way feud, where Pistanator uses Epifania to rile Donut!, but in no way have I ever seen her be antagonistic or aggressive in any way. If I'm mistaken, maybe someone can show me how?

In recent months, I've witnessed some personal attacks by a number of members that are either directly and unashamedly aimed at her, or are so thinly veiled as to be left in no doubt as to the target. As I asked in the other thread, what has she done to deserve this? She doesn't even post on the site anymore, yet still this stuff's going on - and why? Have people really, as Ashe has suggested, sunk so low as to attack someone in some misguided attempt to make them feel good about themselves? Are your lives really that sad?

This isn't 'just a bit of fun' or 'just the internet innit' - there's genuine, yet unjustified, hatred oozing out of these threads and posts and it permeates the rest of the forum in a way that can't be avoided by clicking 'ignore'.

I fully expect this post to get lost in a flood of namecalling, puns or pisstaking, but I'm hoping the people responsible will respect my rational approach and respond in kind - that or show themselves to be the pathetic bullies I've come to see them as. Maybe you can prove me wrong?

this sums it up for me - as an outsider who knows none of the involved people. i come on the forum read about bikes some the banter is also intelligent and entertaining. lately its become tedious and childish and detrimental to the forum. i do see it as bullying and if i was the subject of it i would be offended. i am pleased that the internet persona of pistanator is now banned.

I am wholeheartedly against moderation, in fact that is what attracted me here as my usual haunt was becoming a police state.

Christ you sound like the daily mail! One person has been banned (not several hundred) and you're crying police state!

He got banned because he refused to listen to veloico several time, it's as simple as that.

Read fail ed

big time.

A reactionary post worth of the Daily Mail. Read fact, distort fact, throw arms up in anger.

On a serious note; although the fighting is entertaining, and now doubt there are many "time for more popcorn" moments.......as Mooks said, there are feelings involved. Life isn't just one big fucking joke.

Those who pretend that they care about nothing, except having "fun", are actually extremely sad. Sad in their lives, and need to make others feel unhappy to justify their existence. They're pathetic, and their followers are not only pathetic also, but show that having a low I.Q. is a badge of honour to life-failures.

This is going to hurt hard and hurt deep, so I won't call any names, but the "supporters" are pathetic. Go on, tell me "its all just a little bit of fun, and that she/they/whoever should just HTFU". Its bullying bullshit. If the best someone can do is try to bring down someone else, it means that they themselves are the failures.

Anyone not seeing this is blind. I know the protagonists, and yes, sadly, all the bullshit bravado is a scam. Isn't it? Are you people all fucking blind?! Its a fucking scam!! Its not funny, and only those who are really unhappy with their lives, feel enriched by the misery of others.

You unhappy shits, please do fuck off. I really mean it.

Any one of you pricks (one lady included in this) want to have a go at me for my honest appraisal, will rue the day. I don't back down, and I don't like bullying. So fuck off. [All the swearing, which isn't my style, is there to help thickos understand my meaning]

Ashe - maybe your protestations would carry a little more credibility if you stayed clear of inferred violence, a trick you've tried too many times already…

this sums it up for me - as an outsider who knows none of the involved people. i come on the forum read about bikes some the banter is also intelligent and entertaining. lately its become tedious and childish and detrimental to the forum. i do see it as bullying and if i was the subject of it i would be offended. i am pleased that the internet persona of pistanator is now banned.

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I am also pleased.

Does this mean I can now buy that Cinelli Mash frameset I've been wanting?

don't be such a fuckin weapon soft la

why is everyone reading this thread?

'you're a right bunch of baking trays.' [/pisti]

Davelocio has enough shit going on without people reporting posts and giving him more to worry about.

I haven't been on here much and haven't been annoyed by any bickering and feuding.

I loved object's post yesterday and will try to post a bit more and use the tools available to improve my experience.

I've missed everything in the dark / private forums because I don't log in.

Does this mean I can now buy that Cinelli Mash frameset I've been wanting?

go ahead...i can highly recommend one. i was really looking forward to him ripping into my bike...shame...only a bit of fun all this isnt it?

Now that things have taken a more rational slant, I feel I can speak rationally without being swamped in puns...

Throughout all this, I've never understood the animosity towards 'Epifania'. People talk about a three-way feud between Donut!, Pistanator and her, but I've never seen her be anything but polite, respectful and totally evasive when it comes to any kind of conflict. I see a two-way feud, where Pistanator uses Epifania to rile Donut!, but in no way have I ever seen her be antagonistic or aggressive in any way. If I'm mistaken, maybe someone can show me how?

In recent months, I've witnessed some personal attacks by a number of members that are either directly and unashamedly aimed at her, or are so thinly veiled as to be left in no doubt as to the target. As I asked in the other thread, what has she done to deserve this? She doesn't even post on the site anymore, yet still this stuff's going on - and why? Have people really, as Ashe has suggested, sunk so low as to attack someone in some misguided attempt to make them feel good about themselves? Are your lives really that sad?

This isn't 'just a bit of fun' or 'just the internet innit' - there's genuine, yet unjustified, hatred oozing out of these threads and posts and it permeates the rest of the forum in a way that can't be avoided by clicking 'ignore'.

I fully expect this post to get lost in a flood of namecalling, puns or pisstaking, but I'm hoping the people responsible will respect my rational approach and respond in kind - that or show themselves to be the pathetic bullies I've come to see them as. Maybe you can prove me wrong?

Mooks most of this animosity I believe started because a thread started by wiganwill, "car appreciation" to get talk and photo's of cars out of another thread probably names and faces, or current projects, became Epifania's stomping ground. Being on a cycling forum and not cycling/owning a bike and yet participating fully and freely in the car thread wasn't liked by everyone. So animosity occurred and kept on occurring. Until we got the rolling maul of dislike and petulance you see before you.

Pistanator is a little terrier who won't let go, that is admirable in some cases, and in this case not. He wouldn't let it lie and so he got turned away for it. But this forum was never for the faint of heart. In the great scheme of things that he has said on this issue it was pretty mild but it was the wrong time and the wrong thread.

But it is nice to see those who like him, met him and are friends with him come to his defence publicly rather than privately, whether he deserved it or not. When Pisti rants about the grasses, he rants abut the private/secret reporting/pm's that served to lay the ground work for the final coup de grace. The act of commenting or reporting is private so, with comments only the commenter and the commented on, know what was said, and with reporting only the reporter and velocio know who/what is said. But this does create a certain climate of chinese whispers, finger pointing and he said /she said. What you are now seeing in relation to Pisti's banning is a reaction against that. A desire for the internet version of say it to my face. If you have any issue with what I have written speak to me about it, obviously in this case I'm assuming there was some personal communication and it didn't go that well...Yeah Pisti has to take responsibility, but so does everyone else who pressed the button to report him. Rather than just say velocio had enough, and he got what he deserved.

But the bullying and the name calling, the "bundle" mentality is ingrained in this forum, its what makes it fun and what makes it not fun. When those who don't know or only have a passing knowledge of any situation/issue, jump on with yet another joking reference, or stir the water for their own amusement. Equally they are the ones who if you want to report someone or draw a line in the sand are the ones that need to be pulled into some sort of civil line. But they are not, in this case pisti gets the hammer blow and everyone else gets to move onto something else.

Corny, the ' say it to my face' ethos doesn't always work so well when someone is aggressive and pugnacious as Pistanator. i once said in thread that a bike of his looked hideous (as, clearly, it did), and i received threatening PMs from him inviting me to meet him in person to 'discuss' it. This is just pathetic thuggery.

why is everyone reading this thread?

'you're a right bunch of baking trays.' [/pisti]

Davelocio has enough shit going on without people reporting posts and giving him more to worry about.

I haven't been on here much and haven't been annoyed by any bickering and feuding.

I loved object's post yesterday and will try to post a bit more and use the tools available to improve my experience.

I've missed everything in the dark / private forums because I don't log in.

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