Goodbye sweetheart - farewell to a dead bike

You really cannot compare a road bike to something more "trackish." A track bike has a different BB drop, and is more than likely sized to the top of the seatpost, meaning a smaller frame has a longer virtual top tube (even if it is not sloping, you essentially are not basing geometry on a triangle, since the TT begins well below the top of the seat tube). This is further compounded if the track bike actually uses compact geometry. Just saying....

Compare/contrast:

I'll play your game bumfluff, though you are obviously delighting in seeing it fly over the heads of others.

I had obviously meant the statement as I had written it. "Mighty", as is Ringling Brothers, and Barnum and Bailey.

15 years eh..not bad for the old fella

"Dad"....let's call him "daddy" shall we.....was never well behaved.

When last I stood speaking with him, at GrandeAnse beach, a woman of good looks, fine features, an un-waiflike hourglass shape, walked past us. She was black, but looked mixed-race, and I had noticed daddy watching her as she approached. Daddy abruptly ended our tete-a-tete, and then showed some quite exquisite Grenadian manners, by introducing himself (only......as if I were not even there....much less being his son), and walked off with the very mammary-blessed woman. Small talk turned rapidly into a swim, and there went my dad.....and this vision of a woman. Grenadians. Always good for a laugh I can tell you.

Or a list.

I'll play your game bumfluff, though you are obviously delighting in seeing it fly over the heads of others.

I had obviously meant the statement as I had written it. "Mighty", as is Ringling Brothers, and Barnum and Bailey.

Ooops, typo on my part, which I've corrected. It's a question of capitalis*ation. If you say 'Mighty' then you should say 'The', as in 'The Thames'.

*'s' for Platini's sake - forgive me OED for I have sinned.

You are most correct dear fellow.

And now the news. My Capo has developed a small hairline mark/fracture/whatever just at the rear of the seat cluster. Sound familiar?

This is fun. A new frame from Cannondale every year, just because I'm heavy. Get in!!!

Actually, I did say to BMMF the last time he mentioned it, that I'd try a 56cm the next time.....and so I shall. But I'll need a really short stem with markedly negative rise. When I did try a 56cm it was way to big. But I'm agreeing that my preferred seatpost loftiness, is over-stressing that region.

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Gutted.

You shouldn't need a ridiculous stem. The top tube's only 1.5cm longer (and you'll be moving your saddle to a less extreme position on the rails to adjust for the 0.5 degree slacker seat-tube angle), and the headtube's likely to be a little taller. Normal 6-10 degree stem, 10 to 20mm shorter, flipped, couple of spacers, and Bob's yer uncle.

I meant to send you this link, BTW, regarding the strength of titanium - frame survived a fight with a Shogun, unlike most of the rest of it (pic is a link - apologies if posted elsewhere already):

Glad you're alright BMMF. I wouldn't have anyone intelligent to joust with if you'd come a cropper.

Anyway, we'll see what Evans and Cannondale say. They might just want to see the back of me, and offer me a steel bike instead.
The advantages of being porkie eh? ;)

That's not my bike, BTW. But yeah, I'm fine :)

Maybe a nice springy steel ride would be good (i.e. not 853). An alu frame with 140psi must be a little headache inducing at times on urban road surfaces.

GA2G, have you considered going down the custom route? Shame about the dale, i always liked yours. I cant help but agree with BMMF that a steel steed would suit you better

I am in full agreement; steel may be exactly what suits me best. Though I dislike flex. :(

I can't afford custom at all though. No chance, no way, no how.

I'm not worried about the Capo. If its replaced free every time, how can I be upset? Its a new bike yearly.

Now where's my deep-fried Mars bars?

True its a sweet deal! Sizing up sounds like it may be the solution

That's not my bike, BTW. But yeah, I'm fine :)

Maybe a nice springy steel ride would be good (i.e. not 853). An alu frame with 140psi must be a little headache inducing at times on urban road surfaces.

The particular tyres I use (Halo Courier Berlin) have a strange shock absorption quality that no tyre has ever produced for me, in my riding experience. It should rattle my teeth loose, but far from it, even at 140psi, its very comfy. It probably could go to 150psi, but thats just asking for (more) trouble.

I like my cheap-as-fuck Inbred in bog standard 4130 around town. I can make it flex, but only with ~1000W standing starts, or when I did some hillclimb training on it, thrashing it very quickly up >10% grades with a rack and loaded panniers on the back.

Flex is to do with frame design, not frame material. But you know that.

Anyway, when you get your free replacement Capo in a larger size, the seat cluster is going to very happy about less exposed post, and a saddle not hanging off the back of the rails.

Flex is to do with frame design, not frame material. But you know that.

No, honestly, my belief had been that steel flexed more than alu due to its properties, and not the actual design employed.
But now that you mention it, I realise that you are wrong.

Okay, you're right. ;) Its a bit obvious actually, but had totally escaped me.
Thats 2-0 to you......(I'd forgotten your recommendation to a larger size)

Gutted.
You shouldn't need a ridiculous stem. The top tube's only 1.5cm longer and you'll be moving your saddle to a less extreme position on the rails to adjust for the 0.5 degree slacker seat-tube angle

Exactly what I was about to type.

GA2G grab an On-one stem or two. They come in loads of sizes, are decent stems, and most importantly are really cheap. So dialling in your position need becomes cheap and easy.

I think I should be able to get a free stem of my choosing. Cannondale wouldn't really want to supply me with a free frame each year for life. ;)
They'd authorise the stem. I'm confident of that.

Flex is to do with frame design, not frame material.

Word up. though it does seem difficult to get very stiff steel frames, or they are expensive.
Nelly's Brian Rourke, for instance is as stiff as a board, and so is Gizmond's ridiculous Steve Goff, with the hexagonal tubes.

Both stiff as fook, (BB area) but both fairly expensive. Hippys soma must have been stiff, cos he's a fat bastard, but then he's not putting out 1600watts out the saddle on the top of the banking at manchester...

BTW Evans have a suitable bike reduced to 799 at the moment. Looks to have a nice strong seat tube.

Ashley.

Before you even thinks about getting a new frame/replacement, go and see the Bike Whisperer first, it's defintely the best way to figure out what frame will be best suited for you.

Can I ask a what could be a stupid question but not meant that way.

What if a longer seat post were used, so more of the seat post were in the frame, so more than minimum insersion would that stop the problem or is it because of some sort of pivoting force at that point?

no, gagz is quite a big guy
i also think a frame size up would be more suited

Can I ask a what could be a stupid question but not meant that way.

What if a longer seat post were used, so more of the seat post were in the frame, so more than minimum insersion would that stop the problem or is it because of some sort of pivoting force at that point?

I've already done that, as stated earlier in this thread.....on my Giant Bowery (a 440mm seatpost). Seat cluster cracked on that bike also.
Its already documented further up^^^^^^.

Secondly, the two retail companies involved checked the seatpost length and amount inserted first. Next they checked if I had been for the 6 week check up. I suitably had fulfilled their criteria, and then they replaced both frames. If enough of the seatpost were not in the frame, it would have nullified my chances of a replacement, as that specification has to be complied with.

Just checked, and its in Post #5. In fact I quote you in that post.

Sorry didn't know there was a set length for seat posts thought you could get what ever length you wanted. I also like my seatpost high frame small on the road bike as it become really sharp handling and changes direction easily.

Would it be worthwhile to try the bigger frame to see if you like the feel of it/ comfortable?