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Have a look at this http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/SI/CycleComputer/SC_6502_6501_M500/SI-7AP1F-ENG_v1_m56577569830686508.pdf

ooh, that's fun! Never noticed that thing before.

Yep, it's a flightdeck control - flicking between set-ups/resets/screen views, that kind of thing

not as far as i know

Yep, on the Principia road bike, Ultegra.

I like the idea in principle

on my new XT groupset there was the option for the indicator windows, i took them off.

really not sure what the point is, if you have sensation in your legs (and possibly a cadence sensor) you really ought to be able to deduce if your gearing is inappropriate

so a little indicator for what gear you are in seems a little pointless

Actually, It's pretty good. Have used for 8 years or so and it's not screwed up. Bit of a faff to fit perhaps but I kind of like the feature telling you which gear you're in etc. I presume it's pretty much superceded by a Garmin type computer though these days no?

Possibly......but nice to be sure you haven't finally reduced yourself to the 11 cog with miles still to go

Have seen it on bikes on ebay/ for sale.

I'm surprised that Garmin and their ilk don't have a gear indicator (other than an one inferred from cadence / speed) - It might be useful for the anoraks when calculating power / intensity / effort at a particular gearing / cadence / speed.

£20 says that Garmin etc don't want to pay Shimano a licence fee, and might be a bit of an own goal if they align with one gruppo variety over another.

It might be interesting- I'd look at it on a graph for sure, but I reckon power/cadence/speed cover what you need to know.

I'm surprised that Garmin and their ilk don't have a gear indicator (other than an one inferred from cadence / speed) - It might be useful for the anoraks when calculating power / intensity / effort at a particular gearing / cadence / speed.

Shimano make the flight deck and Campag did one but I cant remember what it was called. Both were a pain in the backside to set up.

ErgoBrain.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Campagnolo-Ergo-Brain-10-/280787742020?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item416040ed44#ht_500wt_1287

Thats the one. I think we might still have one at the shop.

If it will work with 8 speed then dibs- I'll get it for Fenella for Christmas

Call me tomorrow and I'll have a look.

Shimano make the flight deck and Campag did one but I cant remember what it was called. Both were a pain in the backside to set up.

Call me tomorrow and I'll have a look.

If it is that much of a pain to set up, do you really want to find it?

Dammit, do you have someone to transport the bars to wests? I am going through the city tomorrow

I didn't say I'd set it up.

Thanks for the offer James, but I might do it myself now- tomorrow was meant to be rest day, but I spent yesterday evening at St Thomas' rather than on the turbo, so I'm counting that as my rest day and therefore tomorrow I need to get 2 hours in on the bike.

Re the Ergo Brain, I reckon it sounds like a challenge- something to do whilst eating 75kg of mince pies.

Shimano make the flight deck and Campag did one but I cant remember what it was called. Both were a pain in the backside to set up.

You're not supposed to set them up in your backside.

Can't get the staff these days, honestly.

Ha ha - yes, ErgoBrain - that's right.

I can just about imagine a corny 1990's era Eurosport advert endorsed by Cipollini

.......be fast, be a winner......ERGOBRAIN

Re the Ergo Brain, I reckon it sounds like a challenge- something to do whilst eating 75kg of mince pies.

Pies you say? Need a hand?

You're not supposed to set them up in your backside.

Can't get the staff these days, honestly.

So thats why the customers always left them behind.

left my phone in a friends car. Can I cancel the sim, and get a new one with the same number tomorrow? or does it take time?

Seems a bit extreme. Couldn't you just see your friend one more time?