Undertaking / filtering on left?

i said nothing about the safety of it. read the post i was referring to. he says "hgv's and buses are still **tolerated **undertaking". my point is that they are "tolerated" because they are legally allowed to do so.

josh, i think we were both making the same point

;-)

Ride down the middle of the road if its slow moving dense traffic, that way at least one stream of drivers is (supposedly) looking in your direction.

^ Generally agree - but watch out for taxis/cabs who decide to pull off a high speed u-turn without indicating, or pulling right suddenly to source a rat-run

^this is very common. as is vans suddenly deciding to turn right

Yeah, undertaking before a junction is extremely dangerous as many cars don't bother to indicate that they are indeed turning left.

I don't want to sound sexist, but don't you also observe that more women are doing this than men? Again, I can't stress how important it is for me not to sound sexist or anything but I'm on my bike every day and observe how people behave on their bikes. Is it to do that perhaps female cyclists don't feel secure enough to be assertive and therefore detach themselves from the 'real' traffic? I also notice this with my girlfriend who thinks she is quite assertive and have to ask to think about where she rides all the time.

There are many male riders who don't care about their life either though so maybe it's just that there are fewer female riders in general and I therefore spot them more easily?

What do you think?

I would probably agree. I would generally prefer to over take for all of the reasons above and also I find the vehical drivers tend to look and signal more if they are going to turn right. On this occasion there was a stream of cyclist going down the inside so I decided to slot in and take it slower. Resulting in me witnessing the guy on the tourer in front perform a spetacular bum slide accross the bonet whilst his bike was jammed under the front. Very lucky indeed!

The suicidal filtering fuckery I witness every morning at The Strand/Waterloo Bridge junction seems to be getting worse every day.

When i am on my motorbike way too many cyclists pull out into the middle of the road without looking. I have seen 2 nasty crashes whne this has happend.

Other cyclists riding like fuckwits with no road awareness cause me more grief than cars, hgv's, motorbikes and peds combined

Due to a dooring filtering on the nearside on a certain section of my commute i now filter down the middle of the road along this section of road.

Friday morning last week i am doing this a driver coming towards me in the opposite directions starts gesticulating wildly and leaning on the horn before swerving directly towards me at the last minute. I had to explain myself firmly to the car i used as an escape route why i was doing the safest thing. Fucking loon

If it was a red car and he had a 9mm then they were most likely DPG or "Government Police". They're ruthless bastards.

Our presidents SS?

Nah.DPG are just a division of the Met that deals with diplomatic protection (hence DPG), known in the Met as "The Cardboard Cutouts" due to the amount of time they spend doing sod all stood outside embassies. The DPG is notorious for attracting lazy gits.
So not SS, just ignorant, lazy, and armed.

When i am on my motorbike way too many cyclists pull out into the middle of the road without looking. I have seen 2 nasty crashes whne this has happend.
Other cyclists riding like fuckwits with no road awareness cause me more grief than cars, hgv's, motorbikes and peds combined

I think it depends where you ride. Coming in from Ealing I get more trouble from cars (like the fuckhead who pulled out from the other side of the road straight into me this morning less than 4min into my ride) and then peds. Cyclists cause me less grief but are still often doing silly stuff. Motorcycles aren't perfect but are probably the least problematic road user. I still say slow the fuck down when you're in the bus lane though. The number of times I've been saved by a headcheck as some fucktard barrels along at 60mph because it's a 'clear run' for him.. I need to move around other cyclists and potholes mr moto gp.

there is no hard and fast rule. anyone who says never use cycle lanes, always stay in the centre of the lane is talking bollocks. you have to use your judgement, sometimess it's better to undertake on the left, sometimes it's better to overtake or take centre lane

^^ this.

i dont think anyone has said no filtering on the left

but that it has more inherent risks than filtering on the right, so its best to understand the potential hazards before doing so

and ffs go and get some cycle training

Nah.DPG are just a division of the Met that deals with diplomatic protection (hence DPG), known in the Met as "The Cardboard Cutouts" due to the amount of time they spend doing sod all stood outside embassies. The DPG is notorious for attracting lazy gits.
So not SS, just ignorant, lazy, and armed.

They also earn a shit load for doing fuck all.

You're not wrong there nursey.

I think it depends where you ride. Coming in from Ealing I get more trouble from cars (like the fuckhead who pulled out from the other side of the road straight into me this morning less than 4min into my ride) and then peds. Cyclists cause me less grief but are still often doing silly stuff. Motorcycles aren't perfect but are probably the least problematic road user. I still say slow the fuck down when you're in the bus lane though. The number of times I've been saved by a headcheck as some fucktard barrels along at 60mph because it's a 'clear run' for him.. I need to move around other cyclists and potholes mr moto gp.

I agree - even when i am on my motorbike i filter fairly slowly, especially in Bus lanes as i dont think most motorists check their left mirror as much as their right.

I agree - even when i am on my motorbike i filter fairly slowly, especially in Bus lanes as i dont think most motorists check their left mirror EVER.

Fixed

When i am on my motorbike way too many cyclists pull out into the middle of the road without looking. I have seen 2 nasty crashes whne this has happend.

Other cyclists riding like fuckwits with no road awareness cause me more grief than cars, hgv's, motorbikes and peds combined

One advice - slow fucking down when you are on the motorbike and the traffic is stationary.

It's you who are far behind me and it's you who should watch for the road users in front of you...*

**)not you you, but the bikers in general*

wife went to London at weekend and saw van driver wanting to turn left with indicator on-had to "park up" and wait while 20 or so (and she's not prone to exaggerate)cylists undertook-some cyclists are not trying to endear themselves to motorists and with so many riding riskily it must be fluke that there are'nt more collisions

wife went to London at weekend and saw van driver wanting to turn left with indicator on-had to "park up" and wait while 20 or so (and she's not prone to exaggerate)cylists undertook-some cyclists are not trying to endear themselves to motorists and with so many riding riskily it must be fluke that there are'nt more collisions

That behaviour is standard on my commute. I'm one of the few who will drop back to let vehicles do their thing or slow down/stop to let vehicles emerge from side roads. Most of the time it seems like a waste as everybody else undertakes or overtakes.

Cycle training - so very useful, but I consider myself a commuting newbie of 18 months.

That behaviour is standard on my commute. I'm one of the few who will drop back to let vehicles do their thing or slow down/stop to let vehicles emerge from side roads. Most of the time it seems like a waste as everybody else undertakes or overtakes.

Cycle training - so very useful, but I consider myself a commuting newbie of 18 months.

Reminds me of my ride home on Friday - I almost got t-boned (not in a man-love way) by an rlj'ing cyclist... the cyclist then went down the inside of a skip lorry, who had moved at very low speed into the center of a junction, the driver had not indicated but from the road positioning it looked obvious to me he was going to turn left- I over took the truck on the outside and the rider appeared from the front of the moving truck, swerving around it & missing an impact by an inch or so.

I had a word with him at the next set of lights, before he rlj'd again... when I mentioned he should ride with more care, as he could have been killed, he said it would have been the truck's fault because he didn't indicate.. I said there was no point arguing the toss as to whose fault it was if you were under a trucks wheels, but he then rode off continuing his rlj..

There are lemmings out there/this is London, etc, etc.

This I know has been said multiple times every where, but I have got really annoyed recent with plebs that seem to have no idea of road safety and visual awareness.

I know I can be criticised for some cycling choices ( helmet, breaks) but I am very aware of my surrounds.

On a short 3mile commute, almost every day I see people trying to squeeze through dangerous gaps next to left hand junctions. For example a Tesco van was stopped at traffic lights last night with its indicator to turn left, I obviously went around the outside. The majority of the cyclists behind me all went on the left hand side.

I am all for getting more people on the road cycling but it's got to a stage where I am voicing opinions similar to the narrow minded motor vehicle users we hate. Cycle training should almost be a compulsory task. Even though this is never going to be, funding, the use of boris bikes. I see to many people who really have zero clue on how to cycle safely. Not looking over their should before changing position is an extremely common one.

A bit of a rant but to many cyclists are putting themselves in extremely dangerous positions.