Goalies, and back through the goal

i.e. bottom right = no passes, but two touches...

nope to me a pass involves a member of your own team. when a player on the opposing side makes contact that is the end of play. is that right mark?

Someone (on .ca I think) said that not being able to play the goalie, due to them not being near the ball is bullshit, as the goalie, being in goal, the focal point of the game, is ALWAYS playing the ball by sitting int he goal, so is therefore fair game to pull their mallet, nudge, push out of goal whatever. I think that is wicked. There was no goalie checking really at the weekend, and that made it a bit boring, especially for Mark, who didn't move once in one of discordia's games.

That was what I was getting at. But from where I was standing, the only boring games were the ones between rubbish teams. All the games in the later rounds were very exciting (well, I thought so), even the (relatively) low-scoring BAD vs Cosmic I reffed. And to judge from the noises coming from Ray's court, the majority of the spectators found them exciting too.

nope to me a pass involves a member of your own team. when a player on the opposing side makes contact that is the end of play. is that right mark?

Eh? Do you mean when a defending player makes contact with the ball (with his/her mallet, regardless of control or passing) the ball is back in play (i.e. can be used to score)?

yeah i think so...having control of the ball, this is polo.

option 1 - the defender leaves it... the attacker has to get the ball make a pass or take it out of the D to score a goal.

option 2 - defender clears it... if he/she losses possession and the attacker shoots its a goal.

So if the ball comes from the back, the goalie catches it (purposefully or not), someone whacks their mallet/ball back, that's a goal?

(I'm not saying it shouldn't be, although I'm perhaps leaning in that direction).

Or - if the ball comes back out from behind the goalie, touching their mallet, but they never gain control (or perhaps notice it). A player is in front, receives and shoots. Is that a goal (this is one the case's in which I said this is too hard [let's say very hard] for a ref to call).

I think I liked out of the D or two passes better.

Better yet, just out of the D.

yeah thats it.

i dunno where i sit with this one... as the defender should be able to defend. this ball is fair game. I cant see why an attacker would make this move on purpose to get to this situation... yep i think this ball is fair game and the attacker can score from it.

You have IP filters at work too? Bummer.
Too damned many.

Like I said, it was something that was mentioned on bikepolo ca. Not that I give a f*** what those bloody colonials think of our polo, but it got me thinking.

ha, funny to hear a brit describe a bunch of canadians, americans, and australians (who write 90% of the comments on bikepolo.ca) as bloody colonials ;-) but the issue on those .ca threads is far from having reached consensus. some people feel like checking the goalies "off-ball" should be allowed, some believe there should be limits on time goalies can spend there, some feel it should stay the same, some feel goals should widened a bit. it'll be interesting to see what they do in Seattle and Philly with this...

btw, there are two discussions happening here: one about checking the goalie, one about the ball bouncing off of walls and/or going through the back of the net. it's a confusing conversation when it's combined?

I think checking the goalie is a waste of time...unless its vidal.

Actually, when I hit the F8 key on my keyboard, it auto-completes the phrase 'bloody colonials'.

yeah thats it.

i dunno where i sit with this one... as the defender should be able to defend. this ball is fair game. I cant see why an attacker would make this move on purpose to get to this situation... yep i think this ball is fair game and the attacker can score from it.

Okay - so is this anew rule being proposed, or has it always been like this? I would never have counted these in the past, but then again, I never really thought about it.

Can we simplify this and just say out of the D?

btw, there are two discussions happening here: one about checking the goalie, one about the ball bouncing off of walls and/or going through the back of the net. it's a confusing conversation when it's combined?

Yeah, that's the way we like to do things on this board. That way we can have several bitter arguments going all at once.

I guess this is something that we will discuss properly in person, rather than take a decision here. So it's all for fun.

Okay - so is this anew rule being proposed, or has it always been like this? I would never have counted these in the past, but then again, I never really thought about it.

Can we simplify this and just say out of the D?

Out of the D is probably the simplest, but I still reckon that if it comes off a defender's mallet, whereever it is, it's a goal.

if it rebounds back through keepers own bb adn the defense dont get hold of it you should shoot it. goal

Out of the D is probably the simplest, but I still reckon that if it comes off a defender's mallet, whereever it is, it's a goal.

Even if it comes from behind and rebounds off their mallet? I disagree.

In London we play courts with a 'D' but not everybody does which is why for shuffles I implimented the 2-touch rule for the euros. I worded it as *the team that shuffled cannot score until any second player has possessed the ball. *I would have thought that this would be the case for the ball coming back through the goal as well. Possession means controlled touches, so the ball must be offensively passed or taken from a defensive player, not just bounced off any player.

Playing the goalie, if the ball is clearly on a controlled path to the goal, the goalie is in play and subject to like-like contact such as a mallet swipe or shoulder check.
Some people think that because the object of the game is to get the ball into the goal then the ball is always on a path to the goal but clearly there's a difference between a controlled path and a lucky deviation towards the goal. Not to mention when the ball is going away from the goal...

if it rebounds back through keepers own bb adn the defense dont get hold of it you should shoot it. goal

that's what i feel, the keeper had a chance to get hold of it.

if it rebounds back through keepers own bb adn the defense dont get hold of it you should shoot it. goal

I think it has to be this, or the simpler out of the D rule. Otherwise it's just overly complicated.

I'm personally for out of the D.

rules in the North Americans:

• You can’t score on your own goal. Exception: If you deflect an opposing player’s shot through your goal it counts.
• You may not score by passing through the goal to yourself. You may pass through the goal to a teammate.
• A shot that is deflected and goes through the goal counts.

Actually, all the rules are worth posting:

NORTH AMERICAN HARDCOURT BICYCLE POLO CHAMPIONSHIP RULES
GENERAL INFORMATION:
• Three player teams.
• Entry fee is $10 per person.
• Games to 5 with a 15 minute time limit. No tie games. No time limit for semi-final or finals games.
• Double elimination tournament. Because of this there may be a 2 game final. The first game of the final will be played to 5 points. If there is a second game of the final, it will be played to 11 points.
• Game balls are Anti Gravity System street hockey balls.
• Bar ends and mallet ends should be plugged. No exposed outer chainrings.
• Helmets are required. This is mandated by the court we are renting.
• No drinking on site. Water bottles will be provided for your beverages.
SCORING:
• A score is only counted when the ball is hit with a strike using the end of the mallet head.
• You may not score on a shuffle, ball joint shot, scoop, throw, etc.
• The goal is the height of the cones.
• You can’t score on your own goal. Exception: If you deflect an opposing player’s shot through your goal it counts.
• You may not score by passing through the goal to yourself. You may pass through the goal to a teammate.
• A shot that is deflected and goes through the goal counts.
AFTER A GOAL IS SCORED:
• The team that was scored on gains possession. They may attack once all opponents are on their own side of the court.
• Once any attacking player or the ball passes center court, the opposing team may engage.
NO:
• No throwing mallets.
• No “unlike” contact. Example: Mallet to Player, Player to Bike, Mallet to Bike, etc.
• No hand to body contact (open or closed fist).
• No playing ball with your foot.
• No high sticking (above handlebars).
PENALTIES:
• Dabbing or minor rules violation: Tap out.
• Major rules violation: The Ref has the ability to eject a player. This ejection will last until a point is scored by either team.
REFS:
• Players should try to resolve disputes on court. If this can’t happen the Ref has the final decision.
• Refs will only make rulings on a score if that score is contested by the players.
• Refs are the only ones who can call a TIME OUT for injury, mechanical, etc. If the Ref doesn’t call it, keep playing.
• Refs can tell you to tap out, or eject you as described above.
DON’T BE A DICK
• Don’t be a dick.

No own goals? I don't get it.

And no drinking?

London teams = no chance.

Beer out of water bottles...

Not good!

No high sticking either.

I wonder if they're on about all the time or just in the vicinity of other players. I really don't think that rule will be enforced.

Mike, are the world rules on the fed forum? Can you post them?

;861619']Beer out of water bottles...

Not good!

If you drink ale, you can use the SIGGs with locking top - stops the lids blowing off. But you would either have carry 10 or keep going out to refill. The N American drinking laws are lame. I had forgotten about all that.