G20 demonstrations

east / south / north / west drinks would be your best option for that mrsmith

just get a banner with londonfgss.com!

+1 definately

how about a Paul-Michel banner?

The banks got it all wrong and many a company has gone tits up, thus rendering many many people unemployed.

They could also be taking time off to support something they believe in.

By that argument though. These people were happy to take from the hand when it was feeding. But now that hand has closed, they are protesting against it? That is hypocrisy is it not

I don't know any people who have yet to be made redundant, thankfully, but I agree there are many, and the worse is yet to come. But, a lot of these people do not help themselves. I have a friend who works in he city and makes a fair bit of cash. But the things he wastes his cash on is scandalous. Lobster and £100+ bottles of wine for lunch. The most expensive holidays. Flash cars- mostly on credit.

People have a responsibility to themselves not to spunk their money on this shit and to think about the future. Cos when it all goes tits up. They won't be getting any sympathy from me

too right!

the whole reason the world is in this state is because of the 100+ bottles of wine and lobster

people are living outside their means

people are living outside

what has this wold come to ;)

it wasn't like this back in my day.

By that argument though. These people were happy to take from the hand when it was feeding. But now that hand has closed, they are protesting against it? That is hypocrisy is it not

I don't know any people who have yet to be made redundant, thankfully, but I agree there are many, and the worse is yet to come. But, a lot of these people do not help themselves. I have a friend who works in he city and makes a fair bit of cash. But the things he wastes his cash on is scandalous. Lobster and £100+ bottles of wine for lunch. The most expensive holidays. Flash cars- mostly on credit.

People have a responsibility to themselves not to spunk their money on this shit and to think about the future. Cos when it all goes tits up. They won't be getting any sympathy from me

True. I was made redundant a month ago (i have a new job starting in a weeks time), the company I worked for had no debts and was very very succesful. This was because the product we made was far superior to the competition. None of our customers can now afford it, company fucked. This was through no fault of mine yet still I was under the threat of having my house reposessed if I had not managed to find another job.
I used to work for RBSI and everything that is going on now was predicted atleast 5 years ago.

I agree about not spunking away your money and that each and every individual has a responsibility to keep themselves in check financially, but when you can walk in of the street and be told by a qualified financial advisor that you can easily afford a stupidly overpriced house etc you tend to believe what you are benig told.

Yoda was wrong, it is greed and not fear that leeds to the dark side.

'Leeds: To the Dark Side' = great TV film title ... perhaps a racist boot-boy drama about Bowyer* et al?*

I think next week should be fun. Then we're all going to hear about MP expenses in a week or three, due to the Freedom of Information Act disclosures. Apparently MPs expenses are actually checked over, never have been, so its all on 'trust'. I wonder how much of that will remain for them from the 'electorate' in the coming months.

If this city camping trip/reclaim/womble visit will do anything, it will play 'the game' right into their hands, if things turn aggro.

To wit: extract from Big A Little A, Crass:

...
If the programme's not the one you want, get up, turn off the set
It's only you that can decide what life you're gonna get
If you don't like religion you can be the antichrist
If your tired of politics you can be an anarchist
But no one ever changed the church by pulling down a steeple
And you'll never change the system by bombing number ten
Systems just aren't made of bricks they're mostly made of people
You may send them into hiding, but they'll be back again
If you don't like the rules they make, refuse to play their game
If you don't want to be a number, don't give them your name
If you don't want to be called out, refuse to hear their question
Silence is a virtue, use it for your own protection
They'll try to make you play their game, refuse to show your face
If you don't want to be beaten down, refuse to join their race
Be exactly who you want to be, do what you want to do
I am he and she is she but you're they only you

all bankers are cnuts ?
i might even just get a banner with londonfgss.com on
bit of free advertising !

LFGSS
"Proud sponsorers of Swagger bikes"

it could be a good opportunity infiltrate and kill a workshy stoner?
it would get blamed on the police.
i have an old levellers t-shirt if anyone wants a disguise

Perfect crime! the police would let themselves off, you could pocket money for the loan of that t-shirt, and we would be freeing up a bit more space in our countries layby's

People have a responsibility to themselves not to spunk their money on this shit and to think about the future. Cos when it all goes tits up. They won't be getting any sympathy from me

Completely agree - if these people are so stupid they can't realise borrowing 5 times their un-secured earnings to get a 120% mortgage on a house they really can't afford then let them drop.
The government should sort their act out include basic financial management at schools. if a kid gets to 18 and doesn't understand how interest works then what hope have we got.

Take a banner with "GOLF SALE" on it.

lol

"*He said there was no intelligence to suggest there was a terrorist attack planned, but there was evidence that groups not seen since the 1990s, such as ..... the Wombles, were re-forming and planning activity"

*Holy shit!!!!!

on the news this morning i may have misheard but they said they may " hang a banker ! "

or was it hang an effigy of a banker ?

hmm feisty

they said effigy, but then added "lets hope it stops at that"

@BQ - ha! I am seriously thinking about doing that

Hm, this bit surprised me:

Fixed-gear bike riders were also involved in larger numbers than before, he said, and there was some evidence that foreign fixers were heading to the UK to take part in the protests.

Police are expecting fakengers to ride brakeless and hold trackstanding competitions, skidding away in several directions at once if charged.

"Barspinning and wheelying around our officers all day, making them dizzy and sick, that is the stretch, that is causing the issues, rather than educating people about red light jumping, which is our core business," said Cdr Broadhurst.

He added: "There will be times when bunnyhopping comes up against wallriding, and they are not always happy bedfellows."

Sounds like it could be a cracking day.

:) you have no idea how well that works!

I use this one - no lies - i keep it on my desktop and send it out to people i work with to chill them out

Haha, just sent it to my ginger, pussy mad mate, he loved it!

the whole reason the world is in this state is because of the 100+ bottles of wine and lobster

people are living outside their means

at the risk of a flaming...
how about people racking up their credit card and paying top dollar for NJS components to ride around london streets. now if you saved all your hard earned pennies then shelled out the notes - top marks to you, more people should should take a leaf out of your book

Haven't bought anything I haven't saved up for since paying off my student debts about 4 or 5 years ago. I find saving up also gives you the time to a) decide whether you really actually want it, and b) find the best deal.

the whole reason the world is in this state is because of the 100+ bottles of wine and lobster

people are living outside their means

There are two separate issues here I think.

I agree that aspirational spending has a lot to answer for, particularly if you overstretch yourself in the process. But who decides what is an acceptable amount to spend on lunch? Is £50 too much? £10?

If our benchmark is whether someone can afford what they're buying and the guy eating the lobster can afford it then surely we shouldn't have a problem with him ordering whatever he wants. Or is it the sheer extravagance that bothers us? I could have eaten 20 pence-worth of plain rice for dinner last night, but I paid £7 for a burger instead. That would seem pretty extravagant to someone who's living on rice.

It's all relative, innit..?

I heard Fred Goodwin eats rice.. just a rumour but who knows!?

This thread has honestly surprised me

I'll be there with bells on, ready to cause plenty of trouble.

because as we all know marching with 2 million people against the war (the largest ever march in the history of this country) had no effect on the powers that be at all. Perhaps the g20 are the only people who can have any effect on the economic situation and impending environmental crisis, however as we all know, they will do absolutely nothing other than rejig the system to further benefit the rich and powerful.

Look at the World Bank and IMF, two institutions set up to help countries in crisis to have access to emergency funds to restabalise and sort themselves out. Look how the countries of the g20, or rather the G8 or even G1 use these institutions to force countries into adopting fundamentalist free market approaches, sell of all public assets and open up to foreign business take over.

I have no faith at all that Obama, Brown or any of the others have any intention of trying to avert the oncoming mess.

The only way I can see to get them to have any change of heart is to show that the people of the world, the people of the UK are not prepared to put up with them any more. This doesn't mean marching from A-B then listening to Tony Benn, or writing to the local paper. It means scaring the shit out of them. Something which next week's protests seem to be starting to do.

However it is worth noting that the police are using this as a massive excuse to up their violence and surveillance against legitimate protest. There have been front page stories in plenty of papers recently of the police abusing terrorist legislation and ASBO legislation to put people off protesting, the TSG (their riot crew) have 60 cases of assault pending against their officers (2/3 of which are against brown people) surprisingly they 'lost' two mail bags of complaints against them and all of the officers log books?

It may well kick off next week, I know from experience it is likely to be the police who start this.

So do come along, but keep your wits about you.

There are two separate issues here I think.

I agree that aspirational spending has a lot to answer for, particularly if you overstretch yourself in the process. But who decides what is an acceptable amount to spend on lunch? Is £50 too much? £10?

If our benchmark is whether someone can afford what they're buying and the guy eating the lobster can afford it then surely we shouldn't have a problem with him ordering whatever he wants. Or is it the sheer extravagance that bothers us? I could have eaten 20 pence-worth of plain rice for dinner last night, but I paid £7 for a burger instead. That would seem pretty extravagant to someone who's living on rice.

It's all relative, innit..?

a bit like paying over the odds for a used racing frame from japan or expensive wheels for riding to the pub. all about as necessary as the lobster or bottle of gevrey chambertin