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as much as i disagree with her making and (possibly) keeping £26K from this, why does that really come into it. she wasn't at the anti-capitalist, anti-banker, anti-globalisation march of the 1st April, this was the 2nd April march in memory of the death of Ian Thomlinson, who the police had killed one day earlier. she could be chancellor of the excheqors grandma for all it matters, she was violently assaulted by a servant of the people, and subsequenlty failed by our system of justice

On a wider level, if this would have gone through and the police officer had been prosecuted, then every dickhead with a gripe against any policeman would feel encouraged to take any officer to court for misconduct. It would have seriously undermined their authority.

They have to be able to do their job properly, without fear that they will get sued or taken to court. I think it's pathetic that she's already made £26,000 out of this. I wonder how many other people will start acting up at the next riot, when there are 100 cameras trained on them, knowing how much money they could make when they sell their story.

I thought she got beaten when everyone was kettled in? That one where 4 horsemen met near Bank?

I thought she got beaten when everyone was kettled in? That one where 4 horsemen met near Bank?

No IIRC it was the next day

it was the right decision.

the police need to be able to do their job properly, and not bow down to the politically correct human-rights obsessed left.

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On a wider level, if this police officer hadn't been prosecuted, then every dickhead with a badge and a gripe against any protestor would feel they have a right to violently attack them. It would have seriously undermined their liberty/democracy/right to protest

what you meant to say, I'm sure

i dunno what you're trying to say, i haven't contradicted myself.

i dunno what you're trying to say, i haven't contradicted myself.

I'm saying that you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick, the police are there to protect our rights, our rights to not be burgled, our right to not be raped, and our right to not be attacked by big men with sticks. In some circumstance they need to attack people with big sticks to uphold other peoples rights (regardless of whatever your view on the legitimacy of this role), but once we start upholding the police rights, over the rights of the citizens, which si precisly which is precisly what has happened here, then we are in a very bad place, a police state so to speak. I dont think this one case is mega-important, and i dont think this woman is a saint, but this case very clearly highlights problems with the British police force and the monitoring and accountability of it

We have been in a semi Police state for the last few years due to the powers that Labour have been sneaking in, then again most people here don't really know or have lived in a real Police state. If you had then you'd be thankful for the Police we have.

It may have been wrong but she's an animal rights activist from Brighton goading pigs and got her just deserts ;o)

Well, Judge Daphne Wickham disagrees with you

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/31/g20-police-sergeant-cleared-baton-charge

*The district judge, Daphne Wickham, said there was no evidence that his use of the baton was not approved, correct or measured, adding that Smellie had a "mere seven seconds" to act, and other witnesses had feared for his safety.

She said: "It was for the prosecution to prove this defendant was not acting in lawful self-defence. I have found the prosecution has failed in this respect and the defendant has raised the issue of lawful self-defence and as such is entitled to be acquitted."*

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In her ruling today, the judge said she was satisfied that, faced with a protester who was "seeking confrontation", Smellie could not have used other options, such as enlisting help from the police cordon, spraying CS gas, hitting Fisher with his elbow or arresting her.

I said the same thing on this thread a year ago.

Why does Brighton keep coming into this, are you guys jealous of our sea air!?

Also, the UK is nothing compared to a real police-state, we all agree on that, but it is an irrelavant point. just because we are not a totalitarian state doesnt mean we don't have too much government surveilance, or just becuase we do not live in a communist state doesnt mean we don;t have too much government collectivisation. just because we are not at one extreme of the spectrum doesnt mean anything?

It hardly show's the police aren't accountable as it went to court and the copper has been suspended since it happened and still may face internal disipline.
But it does show that you are innocent until proven guilty, if the main witness doesn't turn up to court (possibly two main witnesses - I think her ex was supposed to go too) then it's hardly a surprise that guilt could not be proved. If she was so worried about people questioning her life why sell her story in the first place.

I have been to Brighton I am not jealous ;o) I lived in Barbados for a while ;o))

Of course we have too much surveillance and far too much Police intervention which is instigated by the Government as the UK is slowly changing and personal freedom is being eroded away, but I still reckon she deserved it lol fair swap for £26k I'd do it.

I think the whole thing should have been dealt with internally.

I think the whole thing should have been dealt with internally.

Not with it being filmed and on the internet within hours.

... but this case very clearly highlights problems with the British police force and the monitoring and accountability of it

A bigger problem I see is that fucktards will be encouraged to act up in front of the police, to taunt them and pressure them in difficult situations, knowing they can make a nice sum of money selling their story to some publicist or newspaper, regardless of whether the police are in the wrong or not. This woman clearly doesn't give a shit whether or not the officer is found guilty, she's already made her money. She wins either way.

On a wider level, if this would have gone through and the police officer had been prosecuted, then every dickhead with a gripe against any policeman would feel encouraged to take any officer to court for misconduct. It would have seriously undermined their authority.

They have to be able to do their job properly, without fear that they will get sued or taken to court. I think it's pathetic that she's already made £26,000 out of this. I wonder how many other people will start acting up at the next riot, when there are 100 cameras trained on them, knowing how much money they could make when they sell their story.

Pretty much it, Cant have the dribbling lefty marxist student masses getting the upper hand.

she's an animal rights activist from Brighton

Oh dear.

Might explain a few things.

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nice post.

Oh dear.

Might explain a few things.

"he got hit by a car? what hapend?!"
"i don't know, but he was riding a fixed gear and wearing a messenger bag..."
"oh he probably tried to d-lock the windows then, he probably desreved it"

you can't extrapolate from 2 facts about someone, that they are from Brighton and that they are an animal rights activist, to then say that they desrve to be attacked by hired thugs

you can't extrapolate from 2 facts about someone, that they are from Brighton and that they are an animal rights activist, to then say that they desrve to be attacked by hired thugs

Yeah you can, it's called 'stereotyping' =)

they are from Brighton they desrve to be attacked by thugs

;p

It doesnt matter that she got paid £26000 and (probably) used to go on a month long ketamin binge in a flat with blankets on the walls.

She still got beaten by police for doing pretty much fuck all. It doesnt matter now if everyone starts goading police trying to get themselves into a situation like the Brighton lady, the police are trained not to lash out and become the type of people theyre there to put away in the first place. It doesnt matter one bit who the fuck she was or what her intentions were, she still got a kicking from the cops for doing pretty much bugger all.

You probably do deserve to get chinned for goading the police as youre being a tosser but I would still think it totally fucked for the police to actually react to it. Theyre trained to rise above it arent they?

they do rise above it, all too often. they are exceptionally well-mannered, compared to every other police force in the world. but this wasn't an ordinary situation, it was a high-intensity protest. the police need to be assumed to be in the right at all times otherwise they will not be able to do their job properly. complaints should be dealt with internally.

Maybe he was drinking Stella the night before.

Haha, maybe :)

they do rise above it, all too often. they are exceptionally well-mannered, compared to every other police force in the world. but this wasn't an ordinary situation, it was a high-intensity protest. the police need to be assumed to be in the right at all times otherwise they will not be able to do their job properly. complaints should be dealt with internally.

You really are quite dim aren't you.