Short bars... yes or no

poo brown is my second favorite colour

whats the first?

ginger!

poo brown cunt!

George may appear as a Train spotter, what with his surroundings and spiffy cap and anorak however Goerge was there for the toilets in the train station, a favourite of the poo fancier

whats the first?

baby blue.

baby blue.

Nice.

i like riding up hills and sprinting out of the saddle, i dont understand how you can ride with short bars as effcently, it doesnt make sense to me. surely with normal bars your arms counteract you legs to give you more purchase on the pedals. if i ride for a while with my hands on the stem it just makes my wrists ache.

but then again i also think anything but drops (horns are alright) on a road bike is a bit silly, so thats what i like to ride with. i dont live in london so i dont have to fit into these tiny gaps that you speak of. but for me, if the width of a gap is in question, i probably shouldnt be riding down it. im not in that much of a rush.

SIGHHHH.....riding through gaps doesn't have to mean you're in a rush! It simply means being able to continue your journey without needing to stop so often.
The climbing argument is only really valid if you live in an area with lots of big climbs...i don't, hence no problems.

I'm off to the pub where the only bar i need to think about is the one with my glass on it!

I'm off to the pub where the only bar i need to think about is the one with my glass on it!

I bet it will be a really narrow bar that doesn't allow your glass to sit on it properly :-)

You're all cretins. Can we move onto cock length now?

bars less than shoulder width make you ride like a hunched up ret.

anyone on here fighting for narrow bar corner actually have any knowledge of bike fitting?
as in use any advanced fitting tools/ methods?

the traffic excuse is tiring.

bars less than shoulder width make you ride like a hunched up ret.

anyone on here fighting for narrow bar corner actually have any knowledge of bike fitting?
as in use any advanced fitting tools/ methods?

the traffic excuse is tiring.

do you have a girlfriend?

The climbing comment wasn't aimed at you, Scott. Just a general agreement with Tommy's point.

Okay, so I was being flippant to some extent when talking about 'being in such a fucking hurry', but the point still stands.

One of the reasons you might not want to go through a gap, is that if it's a squeeze, it's very discomfiting for the people in the (temporarily) stationary vehicles - at least for those who are positioned on your outside. Just because someone's in a metal box doesn't mean they're not entitled to a certain amount of personal space on the road. It's not nice when cars try to sqeeze past you (or even between you - it has happened) when riding two abreast, and I try to go about my business in the way I'd like others to when they're in my vicinity.

There's such a myriad of gap/traffic permutations though, I'm not trying to preach a one-size-fits-all solution.

'Being in a fucking hurry', when looked at as an unhealthy (and unconscious) urban psychological condition, pervades many aspects of the city dweller's behaviour. Life isn't a race, especially not a race to the next mundane interaction. I think a lot of people might benefit, both inter and intrapersonally, from stopping and waiting patiently once in a while, instead of oozing frustration and showing total disregard for the personal space of others, be it on the road, in shopping queues, whatever.

You're way too sensible to be hanging around here bmmf. Feck arse drink girls drink!

Why the fuck are track drops not a fair comparison? the discussion is about narrow bars...i couldn't care less if they're track, road, straight, riser, or fucking chocolate....the type of bar is irrelevant!
;)

It's not a fair comparison because of the shape of them the width and usable width for non sprinting are different hence they have a smaller effective width when for inner city riding.

Yeah!

I didn't understand what Tommy said, but yeah! anyway.

You're way too sensible to be hanging around here bmmf. Feck arse drink girls drink!

You the man Hippy!

Hippy for GOD!!! DRINK!

One of the reasons you might not want to go through a gap, is that if it's a squeeze, it's very discomfiting for the people in the (temporarily) stationary vehicles - at least for those who are positioned on your outside. Just because someone's in a metal box doesn't mean they're not entitled to a certain amount of personal space on the road. It's not nice when cars try to sqeeze past you (or even between you - it has happened) when riding two abreast, and I try to go about my business in the way I'd like others to when they're in my vicinity.

There's such a myriad of gap/traffic permutations though, I'm not trying to preach a one-size-fits-all solution.

'Being in a fucking hurry', when looked at as an unhealthy (and unconscious) urban psychological condition, pervades many aspects of the city dweller's behaviour. Life isn't a race, especially not a race to the next mundane interaction. I think a lot of people might benefit, both inter and intrapersonally, from stopping and waiting patiently once in a while, instead of oozing frustration and showing total disregard for the personal space of others, be it on the road, in shopping queues, whatever.

But you can't pretend to be a courier otherwise

But you can't pretend to be a courier otherwise

being in a hurry is the only thing that makes me look cool...even if im just going to my mums.....

^^You don't need narrow bars to sit around on a park bench all day.

being in a hurry is the only thing that makes me look cool...even if im just going to my mums.....

You've got 2 mums? Sapphodelic.

It's not a fair comparison because of the shape of them the width and usable width for non sprinting are different hence they have a smaller effective width when for inner city riding.

hehe...err...but nobody ever said we were doing a comparison test on different styles of handlebars....this was a discussion on narrow bars....of any kind. :)

bars less than shoulder width make you ride like a hunched up ret.

anyone on here fighting for narrow bar corner actually have any knowledge of bike fitting?
as in use any advanced fitting tools/ methods?

the traffic excuse is tiring.

After some 29 yrs of cycling...after racing both mountain bike and cyclocross...riding road bikes, bmx, and every kind of bike inbetween...having been fitted properly for the custom built mtb's i used to race on....i still ride one size smaller than was recommended....for the simple reason that that is what feels best for me.
You can go to all the bike fits you want but it doesn't mean that the bike you're body is supposed to ride is the bike your body will be happiest on.
The same goes for saddles, bars, grips and any contact point....it's about what feels most comfortable to you, regardless of the supposed 'rules'.
I choose to use narrow bars for my most used bike because that is what feels best for me and allows me to ride in the way i want to ride....there isn't a person on this planet that can tell me after all these years what works best for me except ME.
Seeya!

Good point Scott

Yes there is a generally accepted norm (shoulder width) which is probably a reasonable suggestion. But if people are comfortable with something else then feel free. I would probably take more issue with those gifted commuters on hybrids with massive handlebars who block the way for other cyclists.

Pigfarmer is an interesting case - a proper roadie but he has always been more comfortable with his hands close to the stem and left and right index fingers overlapping.

If you are comfortable and can control the bike then do as you please. This is why short handlebars will vex me a lot less than single speed with only one brake - though again if you can survive like this go ahead and if you cant but know better then it is really your Darwin award for the taking.