Jade Goody's dead

Oh I understand, I don't care about her at all, the bully is questionable as well as the racism, it just the general public wanting shitload of information about her, she's literally a live version of Eastender.

About the racist claim, says you're having a fight with a black bloke (for example), and you two got so angry, that you'd choose the harshest word you can think of to call him, the first couple of word would be "nigger" easily, would that make him a racist bloke because he screamed a racist slur to the black bloke?
that's where the line is a bit blurry, the bloke could be a racist bigot, or simply a nice bloke who's all for anti-racism but end up loosing his temper.

Er... what?!

Are you seriously suggesting it's less racist if it's said in anger?

When I've got in arguments I don't suddenly start shouting 'cracker' and 'honky' just because I'm pissed off.

theres an article in on the daily mail right now about how she is, some how, comparable to princess diana. the media in this country is so depraved, its hilarious!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1164579/ALLISON-PEARSON-Jade-Goody-Princess-Diana-common.html

That article must be a joke.

is the mail really a shining example of a foreward thinking british news establishment? or closer to a low-end sludge-drudging page 3 tits mostly sport rag?

That article must be a joke.

"Both women ended up as a kind of royalty, one ancient, the other that modern monarchy called fame. "

This article was written by Tynan and i claim my £5.

If all this for Jade Goody, I should think a we might have National Day of Mourning for when Rusty Lee or maybe Wincey Willis kick the bucket?

Queue, list of microscopic "celebs".

To be fair, Rusty Lee is anything but microscopic.

Both loved their cocks, both blonde, both had 2 sons, both fathers had left, both parents had split while young, both loved by the paparazzi, both sold millions of magazines, both died young, both died a horrible death....can see the similaritys

and it began to seem as if Jade's vulnerability and need to be liked was partly what was being punished

Paul Michel.. Jade.. Paul Michel.. Jade.. Paul Michel.... Jade....

Er... what?!

Are you seriously suggesting it's less racist if it's said in anger?

When I've got in arguments I don't suddenly start shouting 'cracker' and 'honky' just because I'm pissed off.

I'm not saying it's less racist to says it out in anger, I'm saying that people tend not to think before saying something in anger.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/mar/24/jade-goody-reality-tv

Good article! very good in fact

God, must've been loud...

Both loved their cocks,

Pistanator's cracking me up this afternoon

I'm not saying it's less racist to says it out in anger, I'm saying that people tend not to think before saying something in anger.

Yes but you said it makes the line blurry. It doesn't. All it means is that the person has racist thoughts in their head, but in normal everyday life they manage to conceal them. However, when they get pissed off and all riled up they can't control their feelings and the first thing that comes into their head comes out of their mouth.

I agree with NurseHolliday, and I'm white of skin.

Yes but you said it makes the line blurry. It doesn't. All it means is that the person has racist thoughts in their head, but in normal everyday life they manage to conceal them. However, when they get pissed off and all riled up they can't control their feelings and the first thing that comes into their head comes out of their mouth.

By today's PC standards I don't believe that anyone at all is entirely free of racism, whatever their colour. Assuming that we're talking a sliding scale here, from black to white and every shade of grey in between.

By today's PC standards I don't believe that anyone at all is entirely free of racism, whatever their colour. Assuming that we're talking a sliding scale here, from black to white and every shade of** grey in between**.

The only grey person i am aware of.

You think so?

I'm probably wrong but to me racism is using a term seen as insulting to a particular race, for reasons not of hate, and for reasons of hate.

Examples,

1. "Where did you go last night?" "We met up with some niggers Matt knows and went to a club."

2. "What the fuck are you looking at paki?"

The first example uses the word, 'nigger', perhaps not in an attempt to offend the people being referred to, but why use that word when, "some people," would have worked fine.

The second example is more obvious, the term, 'paki', has been used to cause offence.

What I believe is commonly referred to as racism but is more stereotyping is when a person will judge someone's possible actions, or think they know what someone might be thinking, based on the colour of their skin, their origins, their faith etc etc.

A few months ago, someone told me that they honestly are terrified of black people. I thought they were joking, but this person genuinely believes that all black people are potential muggers, rapists, and murderers. They will actively cross the road to avoid a black person, they even believe most black people carry guns. About a year ago I was driving my car and this person was in the passenger seat, a VW Golf was straddling both lanes of the dual carriageway for quite some time, so I gave a quick beep on the horn to let the driver know I wasn't happy with their driving. The Golf moved into the inside lane, I started to overtake in the outside lane. Naturally you have a quick glance to see who the twat who can't drive is, and I see this 50 year old black woman shouting abuse at me from her open window. I immediately slowed down and leaned over my passenger to open the window, I was intrigued and wanted to find out what this woman could possibly have to shout about. My passenger went ballistic, they started screaming for me to accelerate before the woman pulled a gun out and started shooting us... I was so surprised I almost crashed my car. This person is a graduate, what I would say as someone who is intelligent, decent social skills, nothing weird or crazy about them. Apart from an irrational fear of black people. If someone who I perceive as normal can be that afraid of someone based entirely on their colour of skin, I can't begin to imagine what stupid people must be thinking.

What I am trying to say is, what I perceive as racism, I have definitely never commited or thought about. Having been on the receiving end of hundreds of shouts of "paki!", hundreds of shouts of, "fucking paki", and one rather strange shout of, "you spic motherfucker!" (I was in USA at the time...) I know what it feels like to be hated upon just because you look different. I generally don't hate people, and my few nemeses, well I hate them for what they've done to me after I thought we were friends for 2 years, not based upon some wild first opinion theory I concucted in my head.

What I perceive as stereotyping I don't think I do, I definitely try not to, but everyone is human.
I believe joke stereotyping between friends is acceptable however, this doesn't stoop to name calling, but it has stooped to, "Why did you go change your shirt, is it because it smelt of curry?" "No it's because that shirt still had a bomb sewn into the collar."

Sterotyping I can forgive, racism I cannot.

Paki isn't a racial slur, I have a friend who is Pakistani and he uses it all the time and has no problem with it. Maybe that's just him though.

Something slightly relevant and light hearted:

YouTube - Dave Chappelle - The Word Nigger

Paki isn't a racial slur, I have a friend who is Pakistani and he uses it all the time and has no problem with it.

Nail on head

He's Pakistani. Call an Indian a 'Paki' and see the reaction

Anyway, why has this thread got onto race? Can't we talk about UFOs or tennis or something?

Paki isn't a racial slur, I have a friend who is Pakistani and he uses it all the time and has no problem with it. Maybe that's just him though.

Something slightly relevant and light hearted:

YouTube - Dave Chappelle - The Word Nigger

Sigh... some Pakistanis got jealous of the fact that black people had the word 'nigger'. So they decided they could use 'paki' like black people use the word 'nigger'.

I still find it offensive, and I'm definitely not the only one, given that the only time I hear it is when someone is trying to insult me.

I can't say for sure since I haven't met all Pakistanis who are OK with the word paki, but all the ones I know who are OK with it are the ones who haven't suffered at the hands of that word. I on the other had still see it rear it's ugly head on a regular basis.

Sorry I realise I've been talking about this for some time now, I'll shut up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIDlUckcPjo

On a more serious, playground conversation with a parent outside my 4 year old daughters school today.
Mum - K is very upset as N (my daughter) has started to play with another little girl.
Me - They're only 4, I'm sure its just a kiddie thing.
Mum - No, shes different
Me - Different, how?
Mum - Shes one of them
Me - One of what?
Mum - Points to girls dad.
Me - I fail to see any difference
Mum - But he's a Paki
Me - Fuck your dumb, I would be very pleased if you would ask K not to tell any of this shit to N, and if she does then I'm affraid I shall have to take it to the school authorities.

The family are in fact of Indian decent and were born and bread on the IoM. I have spoken to my daughters teacher and she will be speaking to K's parents.

I am now left with the problem of trying to explain to a 4 yr old why she can't go to her friends house to play?

The really sad fact is that the girl in question is never invited to the little parties etc. I'm getting the feeling that K's parents aren't the only ones who have this view. Bunch of twats.
It will be interesting to see how the school handles it.

Racist

Both loved their cocks,

You have such a way with words.

I can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. I imposed a media black out on myself fucking years ago. I refuse to read anything other than this forum

Call an Indian a 'Paki' and see the reaction

Same as calling Tranmere scouse...