Jade Goody's dead

Phil I feel your despair. I wish I could be like some of the smug cunts here that just say ignore it but it continuously seeps in by default. I don't really watch TV but end up getting it via the radio.

Who dat? Chill the fuck out. So by being able to tune this shit out, I'm a smug cunt? How does that work then?

If it helps, I'll tell you how I manage to do it without being intolerable (hopefully) to others around me: I focus on important stuff. That's it really, I concentrate on my family, friends and job. I do my best to ensure my loved ones are well, when I'm not doing that I will learn a little about the world around me from books and specialist magazines (no, not jazz mags).

I've only got, fingers crossed, just over a billion beats of my heart left so I'll use them fairly carefully. Getting fired up about stuff that I can't do anything about (that's can't, not can't be arsed to) is off the agenda.

I see you've got a plan, albeit a misanthropic one that involves killing people, say about 70% of the British population? And you spend your "bad days" thinking about this do you? As to using the internet to rail against the 'Global Village' that we live in, now that's ironic.

There, you've drawn me in. If I still come across as smug so be it.

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I focus on important stuff. That's it really, I concentrate on my family, friends and job. I do my best to ensure my loved ones are well, when I'm not doing that I will learn a little about the world around me from books and specialist magazines (no, not jazz mags).

I've only got, fingers crossed, just over a billion beats of my heart left so I'll use them fairly carefully. Getting fired up about stuff that I can't do anything about (that's can't, not can't be arsed to) is off the agenda.

well good for you and it's what many of us do do - but I don't believe this is something I can't do anything about. There are other things I certainly do feel I can't do anything about and those are things I've been leaving well alone.

alot of people preach how bad things are or how opposed they are to certain things in society... but you often find they are the very ones helping contribute to keeping it alive...

even in a general context, rather than one responding to my preachy tone about how bad things are, I don't think this makes much sense. it doesn't really say anything. If someone protests against anything in society of course they are part of its discourse. are you saying they are complicitous in its proliferation? what's your point?

I have empathy, I have empathy towards the child I saw left on the side of the road to die. I have empathy towards the children I saw put into institutions because they were deaf or disabled and got beaten daily by their minders and never see their parents again or recieve an explination as to why. I have empathy towards the man I met on the street who was holding two bleeding stumps where his hands used to be, just because he had stolen some food to feed his family and happened to steal from the wrong family. I have empathy towards people who deserve it. I dont have enough empathy in my body to spare any for someone who has single handidly made children believe that they are good people if they imitate Jade Goody.

Empathy or sympathy?

both.

well good for you and it's what many of us do do - but I don't believe this is something I can't do anything about. There are other things I certainly do feel I can't do anything about and those are things I've been leaving well alone.

even in a general context, rather than one responding to my preachy tone about how bad things are, I don't think this makes much sense. it doesn't really say anything. If someone protests against anything in society of course they are part of its discourse. are you saying they are complicitous in its proliferation? what's your point?

I was generalizing, wasn't referring to any of your post, I dont typically read them...
The only point I made was a general observation about people and what I do ... "simply avoid" what is of nil interest - bit like the car thread, you dont like it?, avoid it as best you can.......

...chill

I have empathy, I have empathy towards the child I saw left on the side of the road to die. I have empathy towards the children I saw put into institutions because they were deaf or disabled and got beaten daily by their minders and never see their parents again or recieve an explination as to why. I have empathy towards the man I met on the street who was holding two bleeding stumps where his hands used to be, just because he had stolen some food to feed his family and happened to steal from the wrong family. I have empathy towards people who deserve it. I dont have enough empathy in my body to spare any for someone who has single handidly made children believe that they are good people if they imitate Jade Goody.

I don't think Jade Goody ever professed to being good people. Why doesn't she deserve your empathy? Does being a reality star really warrant such derision?

its not what she did in her professional life Hobo, its just having empathy for her family and a loss of life... none of us are perfect.. ..

what she has done is highlight to women the need to have cervical checks, thats got to be positive.

ding dong the witch is dead
the wicked wicked witch
the wicked wicked witch
no more to blight our wonderful tabloids

both.

I don't think empathy is something you deserve or not, sympathy might be.

And I don't find it difficult to sympathise with someone just because there are more deserving causes in the world - there will always be someone apparently more deserving of sympathy....however you judge that.

Empathy is much harder. There are lots of people I find it hard to empathise with, it really can be a difficult thing to do when you have so little in common with someone or have little experience of their situation.

The real issue here for me is that I should feel sympathy for anyone dying of cancer at a young age and leaving kids - what gets in the way of that is my reaction to the media and the people who lap it up. That's what makes me angry, not Jade Goody. Being fat, being dumb, being a nobody, even being racist - these shouldn't disqualify someone from getting our sympathy or a little humanity. If they do, then we're all pretty fucked.

And Henry, I disagree - I believe the evidence is that her situation and the publicity around it has led to an increase in young women going for cervical smears - for what it's worth.

ding dong the witch is dead
the wicked wicked witch
the wicked wicked witch
no more to blight our wonderful tabloids

Grow up !

ding dong the witch is dead
the wicked wicked witch
the wicked wicked witch
no more to blight our wonderful tabloids

The people on here with all this hate really do depress me. Not just for their crass lack of humanity, but also for their bandwagon-jumping - they are not so different from those who wish to deify the woman.

Just a random question, will people defend offensive remarks once Thatcher dies?

Phil/Pajamas, Your argument is good but in this matter irrelevant .It boils down to whether her actions in her life -being a reality Tv star- warrant your seeming hatred of her in her death. In my eyes this is kinda excessive. Yes she was annoying and acted as a figurehead (by choice?) to the "I do what the fuck I want so you either like me or you can fuck off I don't give a shit and it's all about the benjamins" generation but I still can't get past the fact that she was a 27 year mother of two who died a painful death.

Just a random question, will people defend offensive remarks once Thatcher dies?

Depends on the remarks.

Just a random question, will people defend offensive remarks once Thatcher dies?

When Thatcher dies, she won't be dying young and leaving young children without a mother.

Thatcher caused great harm and damage and suffering, and I'd be delighted to see her obituaries rammed full of damning testimonies to all of this. But I doubt I'd revel in glee at her death, I felt that the day she left number 10.

i am not jumping on a band wagon
if you look at one of my threads from a good few months back i started the jade goody hating way back
each to their own and all that

i am not jumping on a band wagon
if you look at one of my threads from a good few months back i started the jade goody hating way back
each to their own and all that

Then you are indeed a free-thinker, I bet no one else though of hating her until you did.

Just a random question, will people defend offensive remarks once Thatcher dies?

As if she'll ever die...

Im not sure if anyone of you has been close to someone dying of that kind of cancer, most likely as we all seem to identify with someone who has.
For those who havent, I can tell you from personal experience, that even the hardest of you would feel complete sympathy.... if you were up close with that person and saw the misery of it all- witnessing the pain,suffering and despair. its heartbreaking. It doesnt matter about the persons faults, how can you have hate in your heart when someone is suffering? All those negitive feelings subside, believe me.
I have been there with my best friend and it will haunt me forever. No one deserves to die at 27 and no child deserves to grow up without a mother, despite how awful you may have felt her professional life was.

she is after all a paragon of virtue and goodness - goody that is not thatcher
why would anyone hate her ?
@ markyboy
can i take it you are an all out racist then ?

dicki - maybe you should meet me before you do...What's an all-out racist as opposed to a racist?

You're either all mental or just very bored... goes back to work

lol its so much fun stoking this fire then watching it burn for another page or two.

^^ ha, yes, back to work I guess.