Knee Pain

holy fuck. this is by far one of the most painful thing i've ever done.

just realized our windows are open, the neighbors must wonder if I get beaten to a pulp in here

right quad done. i'm not lifting the other leg up, no way man

does this get better by time or will it always be this painful? this is ridicilous

It must be bloody hard if you're on your computer/phone at the same time. :)

Kboy
The exercises will hurt like hell.
Keep doing them and it'll get much easier.
Yoga can make a huge difference.

yeah that's quite something. Feels great now though, weirdly looking forward to tomorrows round

It must be bloody hard if you're on your computer/phone at the same time. :)

haha, had to find an outlet

girlfriend got bored looking at me after 5 minutes so no support there

Would suggest you drink plenty of water.

The first time i used the trigger point rollers i watched the at times godawful video

HI I am CASSIDY PHILIPS!
a few years ago i suffered a TOTAL BODY FAYLIUURRE so i devised a SYSTEM

yada yada

He then shows how to use the rollers and keeps suggesting you remain hydrated. I am used to having darker urine after a deep tissue massage. Despite drinking a fair deal of water I pissed brown fluid an hour afterwards.

interesting

tbh i don't know how effective it was last night, i was quite absorbed by the pain, prob didn't do it properly. tonight though, round 2

i'll go for a wizz before and after and report any differences back here

also if you start doing yoga you will learn to breathe properly (sounds really stupid but breath control can make a huge difference to stretches)

round 2 over. just as painful but felt like it was a lot more effective. quite a feeling when the outside of your thigh is in utter pain for a minute, to suddenly relax and go soft and the pain just vanishes

james: sorry to dissapoint, but my pee's been clear as water all night, perhaps i'm not doing it deep enough? I'm drinking loads though. and making gnocci

you may find some of these videos useful, will depend on roller size

http://www.tptherapy.com/triggerpoint_video.php

a large roller will displace a lot of weight, smaller ones dig in more

the tp ones go really deep into the muscles

(hello yellow pee)

specialized BG footbeds. they come in red green and blue which are various degrees of arch support. a BG dealer should be able to check your feet to see which one you require (i got the greens because i knew i had high arches) they come with wedges that go under the footbed inside the shoe. specialized shoes come with some varus tilt built in. adding / taking away wedges will get your knees tracking straight but it's easier if you get somebody to look at you on a turbo a BG dealer is obviously the best place to do this.
the footbeds have a 'metatarsal bump' in the middle of the foot which feels odd at first but is very supportive. the sidi's i have now don't have room for the BG footbed so im using the sidi one with the wedges. getting a bit of discomfort as my foot is being pushed flatter without the bump but i guess i'll get used to it.
i may do the same as dommyracer and combine a bg footbed with a cleat wedge to give me more room in the shoe. my shimano shoes have enough room so i'll continue using the BG's in them.

the BG technician who sorted me out now works at sigma. (he's called Nick)

massive thanks for this. I went to condor this morning, blue footbeds fit in my sidi's, using 2mm wedge in the left shoe.

just been for another round of physio. the foam roller thing really payed off, my legs are a lot more flexible and after about 20mins of stretching some ligament in my knee he said that's it, all good and i'm ready to roll. Everything should be fine if I keep using the roller, if not I should come back.

Gonna head out for a longish ride tomorrow, will be interesting, hope my knee will be fine

And that foam roller thing, i really recommend it. My legs feels so much more flexible and generally relaxed after just 3 rounds on that thing. Painful as fuck at first but it gets better, and your legs will thank you. The physio told me to use it as much as possible for a coupla weeks, then something like twice a week. Also it should be done before a long ride, but after warm up, to make sure all the muscles and ligaments are relaxed etc which will make your knees track nice and straight. Got my roller for under a tenner on ebay, well worth the monies

holy fuck. this is by far one of the most painful thing i've ever done.
just realized our windows are open, the neighbors must wonder if I get beaten to a pulp in here

This really sounds like something I should try.. link?

foam roller from here

And i'm doing the leg exercises here + on the front and outer sides of my lower legs (surely there's a proper word for these?)

oh and my knee hurts again. did a 2hr ride today, took it easy, on the geared, really low gears on uphills. Felt great for an hr, then started to feel a little something

got back in and it's sore again. also warm so i guess there's some kind of inflammation in there?

Will stay off the bike for a week to let it rest, then give it a go on saturday again. Want to get a proper 80 miler in before the dynamo, without at least that in my legs I'm not sure it's a good idea to do it

Does it hurt at all parts of the pedal stroke?

nope, only when i push down.

the pain is on the inside of the knee / under the knee cap

Since the physio said all is good and it tracks straight, my guess is that there's a small inflammation in there from cycling too much lately. And / or i really need some inserts for my spd's, which the bike whisperer will figure out next week

So for now it's rest. Cycled a lot less last week which helped a lot, think i just got on the bike too soon

hi i have knee pains too and sometimes a knee collapse; I saw one of my workmates who is a physio - he said the reason is cos my hamstrings are much stronger than the quads (he hinted that's from cycling) and this makes my knee to pull and hence the pain. He said the way to get better is by stretching (the kind of strethching where you hold one foot up touching your bottom) and also by making the quads stronger: lying on one side, bending the legs and then lifting the knee up and down - he said to start with 30. :-/

kboy, did you ice it when you got home? It can help reduce the immediate inflammation. More rest.

nope no ice, but read about it just now. Still point doing it?

No harm.

nope no ice, but read about it just now. Still point doing it?

packet of frozen veg (peas, corn) works well if no ice

Yeah, I use frozen peas. Ice is for drinks.

icing

My right knee has really started to go beyond aching and now hurts. As its my right knee is the advice on this thread solely for left knees or can it be applied to both?
Its the back right hand side of my right knee and it only really hurts when it is as full extension the rest of the time it aches. Should I have booked the osteopath appointment last week?