Locks that work

RyanP you can get an evolution mini which has a longer shackle (the curved bit of the lock) that might help squeeze it around a railing as well if you can get the angle right.

I will have a look.

Feel a bit rotten about going in to exchange something then getting them to price match on the exchange.

I'm sure they will live.

I've done it before, the staff don't seem to care all that much.

except for the scoble, he cares like a motherfucker.

RyanP you can get an evolution mini which has a longer shackle (the curved bit of the lock) that might help squeeze it around a railing as well if you can get the angle right.

Assume it is this one:

https://www.kryptonitelock.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid=1000&pid=1261

Seems to be 3cm longer then the one i have. With flex cable as well.

Yeah I've price-matched pretty much everything I've bought from Evans and they're totally fine about it, I would feel a bit cheeky about returning a price-matched item but fuck it, it's no mom and pop store.

As I said though, I've had no problems getting an Evo mini around back wheel, seat tube and bike stand with a charge plug racer. If I'm locking up for a long time and using the mini as a second lock I'll be using it to do the front wheel to either frame or stand, so no size problems there. If you're wanting to do front wheel, frame *and *bike stand that'd be a problem of girth as much as length wouldn't it?

Always best be careful when fucking someone's mum, you don't want their children coming after you

Assume it is this one:

https://www.kryptonitelock.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid=1000&pid=1261

Seems to be 3cm longer then the one i have. With flex cable as well.

not sure, it's this one...

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=Kryptonite+Mini+Evolution+4+ls&hl=en&prmd=ivns&biw=1440&bih=809&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=11818656499610816585&sa=X&ei=8yS5TZSBE8G28QPk6ZQ9&ved=0CFQQ8wIwAA#

Hello, I'm new to this forum. Was reading up about locks and found this thread via google.

I'm about to start cycling daily to my local station on an old bike i built myself maybe 10 years ago. I was going to buy a beater from ebay but nothing suitable came up. My bike is not that nice but has a xt/xtr mix and so i'm a little worried about leaving it at the station allday.

I'm looking for some good locks on a budget. Heavy is good and I could use the exercise.

U Lock:
After finding this thread, I think I have the u lock bit covered. I'm going to see if I can get one of these GRPS things mailed out to me. Failing that, i'll buy a Motrax Disclock Large.

Chain:
This is the bit I'm struggling with. I was wondering if anyone had considered the security chains listed at ToolStation, Screwfix and other tools merchants?

These ones caught my eye:

Hardened Quad Link Security Chain 10mm x 1.5m £11.21
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safety+Security/Security+Cables+Chains/Hardened+Quad+Link+Security+Chain+10mm+x+15m/d200/sd2949/p58188

Hardened Hex Link Security Chain 12mm x 1.5m £21.43
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safety+Security/Security+Cables+Chains/Hardened+Hex+Link+Security+Chain+12mm+x+15m/d200/sd2949/p85267

Disc Padlock 70 mm £3.92
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safety+Security/Padlocks/Disc+Padlock+70+mm/d200/sd2540/p78130

Master Lock Excell Disc Padlock 70mm £12.95
http://www.screwfix.com/p/master-lock-excell-disc-padlock-70mm/87006

So, a DIY 10mm hardened square section chain and a basic disc padlock can be had for £15.13

What do you reckon? Worth a gamble?

Cheers

No.

If the chain links aren't a minimum of 16mm in width, then don't put your faith in it. If you have the time, go to the first two pages of this thread and read posts 42 (and following replies), 74 (and following replies), then post 90 (and following replies).

Reading the first page of a thread like this can be informative, though yes, it is time-consuming.

http://tigrlock.com
I have no experience with or opinions about this, but it is a new-to-me concept that has the potential to make you guys swear at each other a lot. Giv'r

Quite an interesting concept, a titanium band, instead of a steel bar. Not ready for the market though, but it looks promising.
Needs to be smaller to fit inside bags. Two smaller ones, than the one in the photo, would be really good. Pricing will be a key issue.

http://tigrlock.com
I have no experience with or opinions about this, but it is a new-to-me concept that has the potential to make you guys swear at each other a lot. Giv'r

Until it gets tested, it's worth nothing and shouldn't be considered a solution to bike security.

The details of that are best seen on the holding company that is patenting and licensing the idea:
http://www.stantonconcepts.us/Bicycle%20Security/tigr_031411.pdf

My view: Ti is not as hard as steel, but it is lighter. The flexing of the design help prevent any saw based attack, and Ti resists shock based attacks (bolt cutters) pretty well.

However, the locking mechanism is fairly shoddy... I suspect you could knock out the centre with a good hammer blow.

And because of the softness of titanium a cordless angle grinder would make very swift work of it.

And all that said: It's pretty big and ugly, and whilst it isn't going to directly scratch the top tube, it is going to transfer crap from whatever you lock against onto your bike, and also does stick out a bit from the top tube and mean your knees may hit it.

So... could in theory work against the most common attacks, but would fail quicker against the rarer attacks, and potentially has one very quick fail for a common attack. It's ugly, large and unwieldy, and potentially could get in your way when cycling (knee knocks).

I think I'll stick with a Kyptonite paired Pitlocks(soon to be paired with Atomic 22s) for now.

....I think I'll stick with a Kyptonite paired Pitlocks(soon to be paired with Atomic 22s) for now.

^^^^^This is the near ultimate mobile security solution.

Surprising though that others on here, that also have very expensive bikes, refuse to use the best security, even though they are well aware of it, only because the best locks are heavy. Seen every week in the Stolen Bikes thread.

Are you going to do a review of the Atomic 22s when they're available? It would convince many to try them. I'm keen also.

Nice video, however in german (Oops!): http://www.prosieben.de/tv/galileo/videos/clip/3884-das-perfekte-fahrradschloss-1.1651158/

Any word on the release of the Atomic 22 stuff ?

My view: Ti is not as hard as steel, but it is lighter.
When you say 'Ti', are you referring to titanium? I have worked with a bit of titanium, and the impression I got was that it is heavier and harder than steel.

Hi guys, i have one question, i know FAB lock is the thickest one 18mm, but the price is also double of the evo mini lock.

if thats the case, is it wise to buy 2 evo mini locks ( 13mm+13mm) > 18mm ? for the same price ?

Better to get Fahg + evo mini, Fahg gives you most peace of mind, only 60 quid on amazon too i think.

Rock, how many people had you hear that got their bicycle stolen with a Fah lock? (minus the one who locked it as well as the American finding warhead).

get new fahg + used mini evo, prob around £75 for both :p

Hello, I'm new to this forum. Was reading up about locks and found this thread via google.

get something better! kryptonite locks are the best bet

maybe something like this if you don't want to spend much

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kryptonite-KryptoLok-Standard-Lock-Cable/dp/B0010XTIB8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304953104&sr=1-1

locks not to bad and you get the cable so no one takes your wheels

to me the locks you showed us look like the type of locks bike thiefs go for because they are easy to brake

Nowhere fast, that lock is NOT recommended at all.

This thread is about ultimate locks and ultimate security. Your example doesn't cut it. In fact such a lock is quite easily got through by professional thieves, so your recommendation shouldn't really be followed. Sorry, but the recommendations on the first page of this thread are still valid.

Rock, how many people had you hear that got their bicycle stolen with a Fah lock? (minus the one who locked it as well as the American finding warhead).

Thought steves but was wrong.

As far as I know, no bike has been stolen from any forumenger, that has been locked PROPERLY....with any U-lock from the list. hobo's was the only exception, and it was locked with a Fahg Mini (at least one I recall). But, and its a big but, it was locked in a secluded place, where no-one could hear or see the thieves in action. I believe they had many hours undisturbed to accomplish the theft. There was also someone that locked their bike with a Fahg Mini in their communal hallway, but didnt secure the bike to anything. Again, it was most probably lifted, and the lock breaking would have occured at leisure elsewhere.

The standard advice is that a good lock is used (from the list), and then locked in the correct way [wheels locked to frame, and frame locked to immovavble object]; this secures most bikes against most attacks. The thefts we see on the Stolen Bikes thread, are done when a chance is taken in using a lighter lock, or different methods to what is described.

It just works. And the alarm option is absolutely the best solution for locking in a communal hallway....if that is where you have to lock your bike.