Time Trial / Time Trialling / TT

I'd rather pay £300 for a Scherrit fit than £150 for some bloke who's done a few hours of training.

Ironman, and whilst I can ride in a group can average 205 watts on my road bike at the weekend I was struggling to hit 180 watts on the tt bike, I've done a 100mlernon the tt bike and averaged 195 watts but I've fucked withy position I'm not confident that I can replicate it in one.

I want someone who knows what they are talking about to help me make the adjustments back to at least where I was 6 weeks ago if not better.

My fitness levels have not changed significantly in that time, if I'm on my road bike I can still put out the same amount of power, -and about now I'm tempted to just chuck aero wheels on the road bike, remove the mud guards and race with that...

£310 for a tt bike fit, seems like a lot of cash....

vs. ~£1000 for a wind tunnel session.

How much is going fast worth to you?

Ironman, and whilst I can ride in a group can average 205 watts on my road bike at the weekend I was struggling to hit 180 watts on the tt bike, I've done a 100mlernon the tt bike and averaged 195 watts but I've fucked withy position I'm not confident that I can replicate it in one.

I want someone who knows what they are talking about to help me make the adjustments back to at least where I was 6 weeks ago if not better.

My fitness levels have not changed significantly in that time, if I'm on my road bike I can still put out the same amount of power, -and about now I'm tempted to just chuck aero wheels on the road bike, remove the mud guards and race with that...

And whatever way you decide to go... you need to train in that position. No point riding your road bike everywhere then wondering why you're down 20W when you ride your TT bike. Deal with the fact that your shiny 'fast' bike is gonna have to get dirty...

Or lash up a replica position from cheap and nasty bits for your turbo/roller bike.

True words. About training in position.

All fair points (hippy I'm not going to go for a wind tunnel session either as I'm in no way strong enough that I can't make significant gains by training more)

The retul person has offered to take a look at my position for free but thinks tryinto revert to my old position would be better and less expensive way of doing things..

Completely agree that I need to ride my tt bike exclusively from now on and adapt position slowly,

The problem is that the bike feels comfortable on turbo trainer, but once I'm racing all that goes out of the window!

Have put the bike back to my old positron as best I can, and will give that a go!

Have you got any pictures of your position so we can offer unhelpful spacer related advice?

Sorry for the slevless!

As I say it's not uncomfortable as such, just restirictive so I get frustrated and go onto the bullhorns and speed up...

I've changed the cranks to 165 since, for no real reason other than I wanted to put the 6800 crankset on with 52/36 chain rings and I have 165s on my road bike and like them...

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I offer this picture as a contribution to the discussion above.

It is Pete Tadros on his way to winning our 25 last Sunday.

Mr Tadros does not follow convention, but is possibly the most prolific winner of short distance TT's this year: "about twenty, I think".

Sharp eyes will notice lack of a back brake - he's on 108" fixed, and he has no electronic gadgets, not even a watch.

More on this later I hope.

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Interested in this photo from team sky's Facebook. I suppose the point of the wide forks is to avoid interference from the spokes which isn't a problem when you run a front disk.

No comments yet?!

Going to have more of a play tomorrow, and then leave it for a couple of rides....

From your picture I would say that Pete Tadros is quite conventional.

I dont think there's anything glaringly wrong given you do triathlon*.

I think you simply need to train in position. I wouldn't expect to be fast on my TT bike if I only trained on road bike.

*It's nearly impossible to comment upon biomechanics without a video.

http://www.profile-design.com/profile-design/products/aerobars/aluminum-aerobars/t2-plus.html
They come with stacks to go between the j-bracket and elbow cup, so you can put the extensions under the base bar if you like, and there are enough mounting holes on the elbow cups to get the pads almost over the centre of the base bar even if you do run them underslung

For anyone else attempting this, you'll need some longer bolts and a few M6 nuts.

I thought that after I posted, might work with 26mm bars with the stock stacks? I can't remember whether the stacks are 2×10mm or 2×12.5mm

Ha, no worries. I'm fitting them to 31.8s so will have to improvise.

For those who are interested Matt Bottrill is currently trying to wrangle an answer out of the UCI about the Hour Record. We had a training session on Monday and he can lay down serious km, but they want him to be a member of the Biological Passport process before he's even allowed to make an attempt. Absolutely fair enough that they don't want to get burnt like with Sosenka, but there's only a very small percentage of male riders who have the Passport, and no women at all (does that mean there's no women's hour record attempts? They've given a new distance for the women to set, just like they've done with the men). It closes the attempts and from what we've seen looks like they just want it to be the Cancellara/Wiggins/Martin show which is entirely different from what the Hour Record has represented in the past.

H50/17, much different to the 10 course?

For those who are interested Matt Bottrill is currently trying to wrangle an answer out of the UCI about the Hour Record. We had a training session on Monday and he can lay down serious km, but they want him to be a member of the Biological Passport process before he's even allowed to make an attempt. Absolutely fair enough that they don't want to get burnt like with Sosenka, but there's only a very small percentage of male riders who have the Passport, and no women at all (does that mean there's no women's hour record attempts? They've given a new distance for the women to set, just like they've done with the men). It closes the attempts and from what we've seen looks like they just want it to be the Cancellara/Wiggins/Martin show which is entirely different from what the Hour Record has represented in the past.

That's shit.

How come he can't get on the passport scheme? Sosenka was popped for amphetamine or some shit wasn't he so the blood doping argument is irrelevant and the passport didn't exist for anyone previously. Talk about pointless barrier to competition. I reckon he should just get it and create a press shitstorm until they award it to him :)

None of the Masters level peeps in the bio passport are they? What about female pros? Juniors? Yet they can all go for UCI records.

H50/17, much different to the 10 course?

40 miles?

Only Biological Passport holders can attempt the Hour Record
Cookson said the rules for the Hour Record had been updated to attract attempts from some of the best riders in the world. He said that any rider attempting the Hour Record will have to be part of the Biological Passport programme.
"After looking at the old regulations, my feelings and those of colleagues where that there was an outdated set of regulations. It (using a traditional position like Eddy Merckx did in 1972) was nice idea at the time but it's an idea whose time had past," he said.
"We are now accepting applications to go for the record and hope that riders like Cancellara, Wiggins, Tony Martin and even the Australians like Jack Bobridge, who beat Chris Boardman's 4km record, will go for it."
"However nobody can just rock up and have a go, it has to be pre-planned and were likely to insist that it is someone who is in the Biological Passport."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-reveals-that-people-have-come-forward-to-the-circ-reform-commission

Bah. I'm out.

I've got a normal passport and I could spit on it - would that get me an attempt?

I might be ok, I can haz Biometric Passport.