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• #4852
What is TSS?
A spurious number invented by power meter salesmen to make it look as though you need a power meter.
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• #4853
^518 miles says you might want to reconsider that
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• #4854
No control group, your argument is invalid.
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• #4855
You're a control group
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• #4856
Fascinating. Thanks.
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• #4857
Although if it is demonstrably possible to incur a TSS of over a thousand, I have sympathy with tester's cynicism.
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• #4858
A spurious number invented by power meter salesmen to make it look as though you need a power meter.
It is useful for estimating the training load of rides where you don't have a power meter or it fails or whatever which in turn forms part of your season's progress charts (see other lovely trademark acronymns).
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• #4859
Although if it is demonstrably possible to incur a TSS of over a thousand, I have sympathy with tester's cynicism.
You perhaps misunderstand it then. 1hr at FTP is 100 points, 24hr would be 2400 points so it's entirely possible for a 24hr event to be 1000+. I know because I've done it.
Has tester ever used WKO? Does he ever use a power meter?
It's true you don't need either but it works for me and I'm not going back to nothing or HR any time soon.
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• #4860
On the flip-side, I don't think Ultan rides with any gadgets. So it's 1-all WKO vs. SFA
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• #4861
Has tester ever used WKO? Does he ever use a power meter?
No and no.
I'm entirely convinced that a power meter is a very useful (maybe the only useful) tool for measuring the effect of a training block. It's also a necessary tool if you want to know what effect position/equipment changes have in the real world, to back up wind tunnel testing.
I'm entirely unconvinced that anybody needs one for more than one day every 6 weeks.
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• #4862
@Mashton re over 1,000 remark
It's cumulative, i.e. you score for each hour you are making the effort - make an effort for 24 hours and you get a big score.
It's not as though the algorithm makes it up- it needs real inputs to come up with the figure.
Ultimately it's just one way of viewing what the rider has done, saying you doubt a figure over 1,000 is a bit like saying you think the first 400 miles Hippy did were fine, but the final 118 sound like bollocks.
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• #4863
I'm entirely unconvinced that anybody needs one for more than one day every 6 weeks.
So for five weeks and six days you'd rank effort by weighing your kit and working out how much sweat you produced?
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• #4864
pics or it didn't happen hippy
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• #4865
you know the score .. and not just some photoshop effort of you in a silly hat
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• #4866
Ah, yes I had misunderstood that FTP is supposed to be sustainable. I thought that an hour at FTP would be a predicted maximal effort training session.
Thanks.
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• #4867
An hour at FTP would be all out.
Though some people can do many hours very near FTP without issue.Depends on the bodies characteristics.
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• #4868
Yep. So if hippy did 24 hours at 50 FTP he would have TSS of 1200. Got it.
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• #4869
So for five weeks and six days you'd rank effort by weighing your kit and working out how much sweat you produced?
Train on perceived effort, measure the effects later. There is no need to know how much power you're producing. You do your FTP test on PE anyway, don't you? So if PE is a good enough guide to how hard to try on the one occasion you actually need to measure power, why is it suddenly useless on the other 41 days?
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• #4870
Is it because numbers are fun?
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• #4871
It's because people who don't race have only their own numbers with which to amuse themselves.
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• #4872
I'm getting me a power meter for laps of RP.
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• #4873
Which is the most expensive?
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• #4874
Best to get an SRM and a Powertap, so that you can have a second-by-second analysis of your drivetrain losses.
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• #4875
It's because people who don't race have only their own numbers with which to amuse themselves.
I guess this is largely true, although I have been racing recently and it's interesting to see the actual numbers from that (basically, I can go harder than I have been).
I rarely use my PM during races - to be honest in cross I just don't have time to do more than glance at it.
When climbing Dalsnibba I used it to pace myself- I knew that however hard it felt, as long as I was averaging around 300 watts then I could keep going at that pace, irrespective of what my legs might be telling me.
But that aside I find the greatest value to be in being able to pick out trends, see what effects upping intensity has in training etc- stuff that would be almost impossible to do if only doing a one hour test every six weeks.
Ultimately "perceived effort" is as useful as any other metric that you cannot quantify- relevent to you alone, so when you read your ride notes from a year ago and see that a certain climb "is a right bastard, kicks at the top" that might mean enough, but if they're MDCC testers notes what do they mean to me?
However if you read "270 watt average, 350 for final 4k" then that's something you can train for and go and ride knowing that you can do it.
I think it's one of those things where if you've not trained with power it's difficult to see how useful it could be, but once you've done it for a while you won't want to go back.
Explained here: http://home.trainingpeaks.com/athlete-edition/training-stress-scores.aspx#TSS