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That's a lot faster than me, currently.

Well, I did day I expected you to improve next year.

Why top 12?

BAR is a pre-decimalisation competition.

Hippy, this years BBAR has been one of the fastest for years, certainly the amount of riders coming in with an average of over 27mph so 12th position average is also higher than it has been for a fair few years. As for chasing courses, look on the testers forum, and the top 12 (possibly 20) are detailed with their qualifying events, the lack of fast courses means the 50 and 100's are all done in one of 2 or 3 events. It is certainly not the case it was even 10 years ago where you would need to compete every weekend to mount a serious challenge. Incidentally Clubman - was it one of your clubmates that was primarily a roadman and won in the 60's with just one ride at each distance?
And I'd echo Clubman's belief that your rides this year suggest that you wouldn't be daft in targetting that.

I just spoke to Scherrit about it. Seems silly 'not' to give it a go, really.

Bit biased towards fast times in the shorter events which might count against me somewhat as I'll be training mostly for the 24hr.

Do you need to enter the BBAR beforehand or do you just submit results from BBAR certified races after you've done them?

http://www.rttc.org.uk/Competition/BBAR/tabid/112/Default.aspx

"To take part, you need to ride eligible events These are marked with a "B". (see your handbook for details) There are other restrictions and conditions, but see the handbook for details.** **I've ridden my events. What do I do with my times?
For the Senior events, nothing. All promoters of BBAR eligible events should send their result to the National Competitions Secretary within 28 days."

At the very least I should be able to get myself a cert. saying I can do over 35.5kph :)

At the very least I should be able to get myself a cert. saying I can do over 35.5kph 22 mph :)

ftfy. As I said, it's a pre-decimalisation and pre-metrication competition.

Is 22mph over 35.5kph? If so then job done. The certificate can be fixed..

22mph = 35.4km/h

That'll do.

This is nothing much to do with single speed, but when anyone who has posted on the forum (even if only occasionally) wins something, I think it's worth mentioning.

This is my report for the local papers.

Redmon Grand Prix des Gentlemen – 16th October 2011.

The president of the Hounslow and District Wheelers has just demonstrated that his role is not just ceremonial. Last Sunday (16th October) Jeff Marshall, partnered by Wouter Sybrandy, won the Redmon Grand Prix des Gentlemen for the second year in succession.

This event is an end of season classic which attracts a high quality field. The formula is that a veteran (or ‘gentleman’) is paced by a younger faster rider and the result is decided on veterans’ standard (i.e. a handicap by age); so a competitor should be as old as possible but still capable of following his pacers wheel closely at speed. Additionally, negotiating skill is helpful in order to obtain the services of a good pacer.

With a full field, and as last year’s winner, Jeff carried the prestigious no. 120 on his back and must have felt under pressure to produce a good ride. By contrast, Wouter, the winner the previous day of his event in the Rudy Project Time Trial Competition, could face the start time keeper with serenity; his main task was to make sure he didn’t drop his ‘gentleman’.

The 15 mile course starts just south of Dorking with a fast stretch of the southbound A24 and the turns onto the undulating country lane from Newdigate back towards Dorking, making it much harder to follow a pacer. The photo, taken about half a mile before the finish, shows the stress on the older rider.

John Woodburn is a prolific winner of veterans’ prizes and may have been seen as the favourite here. However he was disadvantaged by an early start when the temperature was still low.  “How did you get such a fast pacer?”  Jeff was able to point out to Woody that Wouter had started his career with the Hounslow and still retains his second claim membership.

 Wouter commented “We worked pretty well together – Jeff did call for me to slow a couple of times”. Jeff said “I was on the rivet, I must have asked him to ease off at least twenty times”.

Result:

Veterans’ Standard:

• Jeff Marshall (Hounslow) / Wouter Sybrandy (Signa Sport) 38mins. 21secs. Vets’ Plus 10 minutes 21 seconds.

• D. Hitchcock/ J. McLaughlin (North Hants RC) 39.26, Vets plus 9.39.

• John Woodburn (VC Meudon)/Stan Maciak (Didcot Phoenix) 40.47, Vets Plus 9.30.

Actual Time:

• Chris Yates (East Grinstead CC)/ Conal Yates (In GearQuickvit) 35 mins.16secs.
  

There is a picture, but it won't load at the moment - I'll try later.

[*] John Woodburn (VC Meudon)/Stan Maciak (Didcot Phoenix) 40.47, Vets Plus 9.30.

Did they obey the regulation about the "Gentleman" staying behind his pacer? John & Stan are pretty well matched on scratch, that looks more like a 2-up team than a GP des Gentlemen pairing.

Did they obey the regulation about the "Gentleman" staying behind his pacer? John & Stan are pretty well matched on scratch, that looks more like a 2-up team than a GP des Gentlemen pairing.

You're quite right in what you say, but I can't answer your question because Woody was off so early that he'd already finished well before I arrived.

Just as a matter of interest, Jeff and Woody had both ridden the Johnny Helms Memorial two up the week before, Jeff towed by Paul Holdsworth and Woody by Stan again. The result was similar: the Hounslow pair taking 5th place on standard with W &S taking sixth, just over a minute down on standard.

Jeff said he got better shelter from Wouter - although he's no wider than Paul, he's quite a bit taller.

Clearly, neither of these events really gave John a level playing field. His early start must have been a big handicap since it was a lot colder early on.

Better late than never, I hope.

I mention above 'the older rider' - Jeff is 70.

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ftfy. As I said, it's a pre-decimalisation and pre-metrication competition.

Has RTTC discovered the internets yet ? Or is the handbook still the one book to rule them all ?

Well done, Jeff!

Has RTTC discovered the internets yet ? Or is the handbook still the one book to rule them all ?

For the time being, it's all about the handbook, paper forms, postage and cheques. Online entry is "on the way". Notwithstanding the rather archaic entry process, most start sheets and results go up on the CTT website in a timely fashion, although it's always dependent on the event promoter actually submitting them.

Is there any specific regulation about the position of the saddle?

I found stuff about the wrists being no lower than elbows, forearm supports no further that 30mm forward of the head tube line and forearm supports no lower than 80% of the saddle height.

I seem to remember that the saddle must not be 50mm further forward than the BB.

Is there any specific regulation about the position of the saddle?

No. Some of the other regulations inevitably place certain constraints on saddle position (i.e. no recumbents) but there is no specific regulation

For the time being, it's all about the handbook, paper forms, postage and cheques. Online entry is "on the way". Notwithstanding the rather archaic entry process, most start sheets and results go up on the CTT website in a timely fashion, although it's always dependent on the event promoter actually submitting them.

Time to order a cheque book then.....

I'll be mostly doing 'club' events anyway I guess, which are mostly turn up and enter on the line ?

I seem to remember that the saddle must not be 50mm further forward than the BB.

UCI rule, only applied in time trials during the joint championship with BC.

I want to use my TT bike, Is Richmond the place then?

UCI rule

UCI rule is not less than 50mm behind the BB, unless you have a morphological exemption, but even then it has to behind the BB.

I want to use my TT bike, Is Richmond the place then?

If you want to use it this year, Bentley on December 18th is the place.

thanks

Did they obey the regulation about the "Gentleman" staying behind his pacer? John & Stan are pretty well matched on scratch, that looks more like a 2-up team than a GP des Gentlemen pairing.

Just seen this - Woodburn cheated. There is a photo of him pulling Stan along on the album posted on the ctt website.