Which Groupset?

In my case I am not going to build the bike by myself... I am not rich, but buying the component from condor I can have bike fitting and building included in the price! And I decided to go for Campag (had Ultegra 6700). That's it

I would like to try campagnolo because I don't like that the brake levers on shimano move sideways. But they have no hydraulics or even disc brakes.

Someone's reading 'Faster'.

Bingo.

Read now, it's shorter and shitter than I hoped. I still like Hutch though.

So Shimano cheaper... and requires no tools... You can build a cheap Di2 bike by your own... Shimano --> poor cyclist

Campagnolo... too expensive... you need really specific tools... you can't afford to have it build up in a shop... Campagnolo --> rich cyclist!

... What about sram?

According to my LBS "some people who just refuse to have Shimano, some people just won't" ...which I think is quite telling.

I thought it was quite interesting this shop's putting DA9000 on all their race bikes (6800 on the CX bikes).

According to my LBS "some people who just refuse to have Shimano, some people just won't" ...which I think is quite telling.

I thought it was quite interesting this shop's putting DA9000 on all their race bikes (6800 on the CX bikes).

Maybe a shop does it because Shimano is what most of the people think at when speaking about groupset. Go to a supermarket, like Evans or Halford, and 90% of the bikes have Shimano.

Go to a shop like Kinoko or Condor, and you'll see more or less groupsets coming from the three brands!

They sell more because they have sold more? That's a thing.

Turn it on it's head and you have people choosing SRAM just as a point of difference - which is also a thing.

If you are not too poor to be able to buy campag buy an Dura Ace Di2 for the week end, an Ultegra Di2 for your weekly bike, and a 105 for your winter... as the thread seems to suggest!

Thanks for that. Based on the information, I'm going to go with Campagnolo.

Thanks for that. Based on the information, I'm going to go with Campagnolo.

that was a joke base on the last three pages of this thread mate

So I should go SRAM then?

Mavic Zap or STFU

Microshift or die.

The high end microshift is impressively light and cheaper than 105.

Turn it on it's head and you have people choosing SRAM just as a point of difference - which is also a thing.

People choosing SRAM or Campag just so they have a bike that's not Shimano are basically letting their purchase be decided by Shimano.

Shimano owns you all.

Bow before your groupset god.

Top ten reasons to choose SRAM

1. Anti-Shimano hipsterism
   
2. Revulsion at both the exposed gear cables of earlier Shimano and the stupid little thumb levers of Campag
   
3. Brand inertia coming from MTB, where SRAM have a sizeable share of the OEM market
   
4. Weight weenie-ism, as first generation Red was the first modern OTP groupset under 2kg
   
5. Simple admiration for what a clever system DoubleTap is
   
6. Misguided patriotism by thick 'merkins.
   
7. Er...
   
8. That's it.
   

1. raffa continental
   
   

edit: that may come under anti shimano hipsterdom

^^ nailed it

http://www.strava.com/clubs/campagnoloridersclub

Top ten reasons to choose SRAM

1. Anti-Shimano hipsterism
   
2. Revulsion at both the exposed gear cables of earlier Shimano and the stupid little thumb levers of Campag
   
3. Brand inertia coming from MTB, where SRAM have a sizeable share of the OEM market
   
4. Weight weenie-ism, as first generation Red was the first modern OTP groupset under 2kg
   
5. Simple admiration for what a clever system DoubleTap is
   
6. Misguided patriotism by thick 'merkins.
   
7. Er...
   
8. That's it.
   
   

Almost spot on though I would say of #2, at least Shimano had earlier systems.

I'd add

9) compatibility with Type Two MTB derailleurs for slick one by ten & eleven setups
10) better results with cable pull disc brakes*

*Shimano pulls too much cable, Campag - well the lack of Campag + discs in the wild says something

The thing is. Those silly looking thumb shifters of Campag. Are all kinds of awesome.

They allow you to grip the drops solidly, With just the tip of the thumb on the lever, when sprinting. Thus allowing you to dump half of the cassette With very little hand movement.

They allow you to stay on the tops when cresting a Climb, and shift up With Your little finger.

I'd dispute 10.

Well, you can't dispute that the cable pull of current Shimano kit isn't factored into the design of current after market cable pull discs - although it might be in the CX77.

The extra cable pull does make them more sympathetic to wonky rotors at the cost of a lack of bite, however. I guess it depends if you want BB7s / TRP to feel like cantis or not.

To be fair I've not set up Campag with disc brakes but as no-one else seems to want to...

(9) is true though.

Well, you can't dispute that the cable pull of current Shimano kit isn't factored into the design of current after market cable pull discs - although it might be in the CX77.

The extra cable pull does make them more sympathetic to wonky rotors at the cost of a lack of bite, however. I guess it depends if you want BB7s / TRP to feel like cantis or not.

5700/6700/7900 work better with MTB BB7s than with the road version, apparently.

TRP Hy/Rd, which are arguably the best aftermarket solution for cable road levers, work with both old and new pull ratios (by changing where you clamp the cable).

5700/6700/7900 work better with MTB BB7s than with the road version, apparently.

Because their cable pull is similar to Linear Pull.

TRP Hy/Rd, which are arguably the best aftermarket solution for cable road levers, work with both old and new pull ratios (by changing where you clamp the cable).

I wasn't really considering Hy/Rd - it's a half way house solution. I can see why people like it though.