Which Groupset?

don't get campag - that is my suggestion.

Seriously, I love Campag, but they are so far behind Shimano now and the price of replacement parts is an effing joke.

Elucidate. How are they "so far behind" exactly?

Any good Campag 9 speed?

never tried sram. Just not sure about the double tap but I will take in consideration. I am not going back to Shimano. It is like (to me) buying a really good sport Japanese car: the style is always going to be awful! And we all care about the style

I dislike the old Shimano hood shape, it's big, bulky, got a long lever throw, but the newer shape is a massive step forward (IMHO).

The 6800 (and the new 105 I guess) have a much more comfortable hood shape, closer to SRAM incidentally.

Go with what feel the best, if you feel the Campag work for you, go for that.

^^ I'm more about price.

Elucidate. How are they "so far behind" exactly?

They haven't been shot on any Prolly builds for like 4 months.

^^^ racist ; )

Doubletap is much less weird than you think. Going back to Shimano now feels weird to me.

Elucidate. How are they "so far behind" exactly?

EPS/Joke; Hydro disc; Economical 11 speed (new 105); 4 arm cranks in new gen groupsets etc.

Im a recent convert to doubletap. I like it. I've stopped trying to snap off the brake leaver now. Plus I can still change down whilst braking. Just use a different finger.

is it possible to change more then one gear with SRAM? (I was noticing that Athena and Forse 22 are similar in price)

In unrelated news I am thinking of going compact and have the option of 34/50 or 36/52.
As I currently ride 39/53. I am thinking that 36/52 might be the way to go, giving that bit of help on the climbs or should I go full compact? This will in all probability be the new campagnolo over-torque unless someone tells me not to. Any one got suggestions or help?

^^yes.

Elucidate. How are they "so far behind" exactly?

have you tried the front ring shifting on Ultegra 6800 yet? I did the other day, it's dead nice.

It's very good, really very good. The brakes on 6800 are excellent as well.

It's a bit odd going between 6800 and 6870 (ignoring the discs) because you no longer move the lever inward to downshift - I noticed that I tend to combine the braking and the shifting, i.e. moving the lever at a diagonal as it were, dropping down 2-3 gears whilst scubbing off speed ahead of the corner.

You can do this with 6870 but it means tapping the button with your ring finger- which of course is all it takes, as it's a micro-switch.

Andy, you are welcome to back-to-back my Serotta and Oak, that should give you a good reading on the state of modern Shimano.

never tried sram. Just not sure about the double tap but I will take in consideration. I am not going back to Shimano. It is like (to me) buying a really good sport Japanese car: the style is always going to be awful! And we all care about the style

double tap is actually a really good system. Took me about 3 hours to get used to, and I've not looked back since.

The only negative thing I have to say about double tap is occasionally, when I'm tired at the end of a long ride I shift up when I meant to shift down, but that's just a user-error really.

Id think its the converting from sram that makes you appreciate front shifting actually working .) To say shimano is so far ahead of campy seem bit meh but then i havent tried the front shifting on 6800 either.

Campy prices for the nicer parts are a bit of a joke tho agreed.

the front shifting on both of my sram-equipped bikes has always been without fault. I've heard lots of people moan about it but never personally had any problems.

And that's not because I only ride in the big ring.

Id think its the converting from sram that makes you appreciate front shifting actually working .

ha!

So apart from comments from a moron, it comes down to front shifting to make Shimano miles ahead. Right. Glad we cleared that up.

FWIW, I'm agnostic in the great groupset schisms. I have bikes with Campag, Shimano and SRAM.

Heretic ^

Well, the front shifting, the brakes, the hydraulic discs, the electronic groupsets, the cranks.

But yes, apart from that.

Aqueducts, viniculture

So apart from comments from a moron, it comes down to front shifting to make Shimano miles ahead. Right. Glad we cleared that up.

FWIW, I'm agnostic in the great groupset schisms. I have bikes with Campag, Shimano and SRAM.

Lol. Oh andy.

So apart from comments from a moron, it comes down to front shifting to make Shimano miles ahead. Right. Glad we cleared that up.

FWIW, I'm agnostic in the great groupset schisms. I have bikes with Campag, Shimano and SRAM.

Right, and that is why I do not want Shimano for the next one. I was just wondering if Athena is much better then Centaur (and I am looking at Force 22 too in this moment).

To me Shimano has the same style of a vacuum cleaner...

Well, the front shifting, the brakes, the hydraulic discs, the electronic groupsets, the cranks.

But yes, apart from that.

Miles ahead? Really?

It's marketing bullshit. You've all been at the Kool Aid too long.