Which Groupset?

Just checked and I've done 906 miles on the System Six so far this year, and the battery test light is still showing a solid green.

It flashes once it's at 50%, so it's got at least another 900 miles in there- and very probably more.

~2,000 miles/charge.

That is amazing. I better start saving ;-) a grand seems like stonkingly good value for electronic shifting. And even better value when it comes on a canyon for a hair over 2k.

I think people who say they don't want di2 because of "what happens when it runs out of charge on a ride" or "what if it gets wet" are seriously misguided. The sad thing is, most of the people are talk to say that stuff and that's why they don't get it.

This was well received, full carbon Jamis with full Ultegra Di2;

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/jamis/xenith-pro-di2-2012-road-bike-ec031738

Saying that, the Canyon fit you better JB.

You need another bike JB.

I think people who say they don't want di2 because of "what happens when it runs out of charge on a ride" or "what if it gets wet" are seriously misguided. The sad thing is, most of the people are talk to say that stuff and that's why they don't get it.

It brings in another way for it to go wrong. Cable's being pulled are very easy to diagnose is something does go wrong and inexpensive to replace if you have to. Electronic groupsets may be very easy to install and very little maintenance after that, but if it stops working properly for any reason it will be much harder to diagnose.

When I was attending a Cytech 1 course, there was a course solely for Di2, I learnt that you can programmed the button the other way round (something I didn't know after pressing the wrong button to shift down like Dammit did when he first tried his Di2 out).

7970 has fixed buttons, 6770 and 9700 are configurable in terms of what button does what- plus you can select shift speed, number of shifts etc.

Exactly; unnecessary shit.
The reason I went for Red over Di2 is the simpleness of it. I've fucked around with electronics before and it's always a pain if a wire gets crimped or comes lose or whatever. I also find the buttons to shift a bit strange as I'm used to moving levers. Saying that, if I ever kill this Sram Red I might try Di2 or equivalent.

I'm quite looking forward to it- you can program it so that if you press and hold it shifts three cogs. five cogs, or the entire block. Clever.

Plus I'm using a remote shifter now which is actually much less of a gimmick than it sounds.

It's still quite gimmick, I admit, but hey- try doing that with cables.

I struggle to see when you would need a remote shifter unless on aerobars. That sounds great, but a bit binary, I like being able to shift 1 or 2 or 4 sprockets at whim by just moving the lever different amounts.

Biggest difference I found was the front shift, most especial when climbing, and the auto trim feature too.

Touring with Di2 (Alfine);

I would.

And even better value when it comes on a canyon for a hair under 2k.

ftfy

All a bit tedious, no? Electronic vs Mechanical is just this years Campag vs Shimano.

Some people are going to love it, some people won't.

I prefer levers to buttons, I prefer mechanical things to electronic things, I like to ride stuff into the ground, then replace it. I also like cheap things (because bikes break sometimes), so yeah - I'm happy to mop up the lightly used mechanical groupsets all you early adopters are shedding, for 50% of their value.

One thing to note is that by all accounts a lot of pro's are unhappy with the performance and reliability of electronic groupsets. Granted, I will never put a groupset through even 90% of what your average domestique could - but the the fact that people who are paid extremely well to ride certain things are still refusing to ride them is enough for me to say "let's see where things are in 3-4 years". At the moment, it's just another marketing stick for the bike industry to beat us with: *"What's that, you want di2?! Great, but you're going to need a new frame too..." *

Having ridden Ui2 for a year now, I must say I really like it. I've ridden it in the wet, and mud, then power washed the bike afterwards and no problems. Battery lasts so long that sudden power loss during a ride is very, very unlikely.

Has it changed my riding? Probably. I change gear a lot more than I used to. Rather than plough in a one gear, the light touch required to shift means I am more likely to flip up and down the block or in and out of the small chainring as the road goes up or down. But I don't race, so does it matter? Probably not.

Why did I buy it? Because it was different, a bit gimmicky no doubt. I built my own traditional (steel) frame and liked the idea of mating low tech with high tech. Certainly not essential and I wouldn't go touring with it, not unless I had a big bag of spares with me.

Not sure about off-road either. Seems to me, it would be more vulnerable to damage, but saying that, I run my wiring externally for practical reasons but bikes built for electronic gearing will have internal cabling, keeping it out of harm's way.

Problem?
Solution: spare bike with mechanical shifters.

#winning

I refuse to take equipment advice from a man who thinks carb drink is an effective drivetrain lubricant ;)

That's why I went hidden erectronic.. to stop the go juice eating through my cables. The chain still gets the treatment though.. and loves it.

One thing to note is that by all accounts a lot of pro's are unhappy with the performance and reliability of electronic groupsets.

That I did not know, where did you read this? it wasn't long ago that the pro actually paid for their Di2 because they liked it.

I think it was the sight of Wiggo throwing away his Di2 equipped Pinarello on the Giro del Trentino that started it off. Loads of anecdotes but little hard evidence.

There seem to have been a lot more problems this season with Di2 9000 and EPS than there were with 7900 Di2. But maybe the incidents have just been 'higher visibility'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mR91E46D8VY

There seem to have been a lot more problems this season with Di2 9000 and EPS than there were with 7900 Di2. But maybe the incidents have just been 'higher visibility'.

DA 9000 is the new cable group

Di2 9070 is the 2013 elec group

There seem to have been a lot more problems this season with Di2 9000 and EPS than there were with 7900 Di2. But maybe the incidents have just been 'higher visibility'.

The logical reason for this is because more riders are now using it.