Attempted assault by van passenger in Tooting

yeah i got pushed by some car passenger a couple of years ago travelling south on campbell road e3.

(its a pretty tough little part of town).

i think that many of these types of incidents are perpetrated (good word) by illegal drivers (typically no insurance) and i would like to see action by the authorities to clear our community of these drivers. (i heard from somewhere but i cant remember where that the met police estimate that up to a third of drivers in London are illegal !). sounds a bit like a rant so i will shut up now - till the next time.

be safe everybody and keep your wits about you.

Section 5 Firearms (mace, CS spray etc), you'd be best off handing them in, you'd be WELL f@*cked if you were caught with them.

Guys, as much as instant retribution seems like the best idea, even a D-Lock will become an offensive weapon (under the 'intended' category) when the intention of using it as so becomes apparent. And if it's used or appears as if it's going to be used to smash a window or dent a panel, you'll be lifted for going equipped to cause criminal damage.

Just a heads up.

What if it's just after someone has grabbed you from a car? Don't you have some kind of 'get out of jail card' for 'heat of the moment' face smashing incidents post trauma?

I pulped his skull because he attempted to murder me. Does that not work. Damn.

What can we do?

Section 5 Firearms (mace, CS spray etc), you'd be best off handing them in, you'd be WELL f@*cked if you were caught with them.

Guys, as much as instant retribution seems like the best idea, even a D-Lock will become an offensive weapon (under the 'intended' category) when the intention of using it as so becomes apparent. And if it's used or appears as if it's going to be used to smash a window or dent a panel, you'll be lifted for going equipped to cause criminal damage.

Just a heads up.

we are all born with elbow aren't we? you be surprise how easy it is to smash a car windows with your elbow.

(have to smash the windows of my car once).

Setting off a rape alarm in the offenders face would do the trick, plus its pressumably legal

I cycled through tooting yesterday coiled like a spring... waiting for a van to get close and try to reach out... personally I find punching, strangling, scratching and bitting to be pretty effective...

Stevo, I'm not sure I agree with your equipted to do criminal damage idea... you are allowed to use equal or lesser force to defend yourself... when someone comes at you with a van doesn't that give you the right to hit the van with a d-lock?

Just spoken to the Police and the driver is well known to them (ominous) there's a marker been put out to stop the van if it's seen.
They're going to ring me again later tonight...

I keep a small thermos of green tea and jasmine, if it happened to me I'd lean into the car via the window, poor the offender a cup, maybe offer him sugar but advise him against it. And once he is settled ask him why he feels the need to spoil another persons day. Maybe talk a little about his home life and job satisfaction before suggesting ways in which he can find more peace in his life. simple things such as lighter better fitting clothes, less confrontation and avoidance of nicotine and tobacco for short spells.

Fat Cuntbag wont see that coming!

Just spoken to the Police and the driver is well known to them (ominous) there's a marker been put out to stop the van if it's seen.
They're going to ring me again later tonight...

sweet! get his address and we'll pay him a visit on the way back from one of the drinks at odd hours over the next few months...

last night blue van pulled over when I was undertaking it. landed on the kerb. some people never look in the mirror before manoeuvre. now I have a gangster walk. rekanize!!!

RECOGNISE this: you admit that you 'undertook' a van. Which then decided to pull over. I would imagine you've never driven a motorised vehicle with right-hand drive? there are these things called 'blind-spots...'

What if it's just after someone has grabbed you from a car? Don't you have some kind of 'get out of jail card' for 'heat of the moment' face smashing incidents post trauma?

I pulped his skull because he attempted to murder me. Does that not work. Damn.

What can we do?

I would've puked onto his cock.

Seriously: Stevo_com... is puking on someone an offence? I think this would be my best trick in a fight, since I am a weed ... projectile on them.

I keep a small thermos of green tea and jasmine, if it happened to me I'd lean into the car via the window, poor the offender a cup, maybe offer him sugar but advise him against it. And once he is settled ask him why he feels the need to spoil another persons day. Maybe talk a little about his home life and job satisfaction before suggesting ways in which he can find more peace in his life. simple things such as lighter better fitting clothes, less confrontation and avoidance of nicotine and tobacco for short spells.

Fat Cuntbag wont see that coming!

rep you if I could!

Ed, just hit the comment button underneath his name, unless you have to spread the love a little bit.

I didn't know that, no.
And I bet most other cyclists don't.

Too few, for sure. Spread the word. A lot of people also think that riding a bike requires no more skill than they have.

I'm very pleased there is one. I wonder how it compares to CBT? Whilst compuslory training may put people off cycling, I think the general standard of cycling in this country is so poor that maybe it should be - say as part of the national curriculum at school.

I don't know how it compares to CBT. Good quality training raises the status of any activity and definitely doesn't put people off. And if it were part of school/NC, that would be great--we've run so much cycle training in schools that we can confidently say that all kids love it even if it's part of their school day--it's such a great change from being stuck in a stuffy classroom and does wonders for behaviour management, teachers tell us.

You're right that the standard of cycling is low--in particular, we have a 'lost generation' that fell into the hole of the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Many people never learned to balance a two-wheeler, and for those that did it was often in the form of cycling proficiency, which was designed to scare people off the streets. Perhaps not consciously so, but it was born out of Britain's 'road safety' culture. I constantly meet people who'd really love to cycle but were put off by their CP.

However, on the positive side, the standard of cycling here is probably actually higher than in places like the Netherlands which have a high modal share. The high modal share comes about not because people are skilled cyclists, but because average trip lengths are short and cycling is a completely normal thing. People there often wouldn't consider making particularly long trips, whereas in London people are happy to commute up to ten miles each way. Still, we can't rely on skill alone and having a high modal share and skilled cyclists would be ideal, of course.

Ed, just hit the comment button underneath his name, unless you have to spread the love a little bit.

it was the latter.

Oh, and there's the cycle training thread here:

http://www.londonfgss.com/thread6787.html

it's called 'reasonable force', equal or lesser is in the army. so long as you can account for what you did and why you thought it was reasonable then you should be ok. anything else, you'll need a good solicitor

I think if I was grabbed by someone leaning out of a vehicle my instant response would be to brake hard. Surely this would be the best manouvre to get them to let go?

I wonder how it compares to CBT?

Where I come from CBT means something else entirely. Though it might be appropriate for someone who tries to knock off cyclists.

I think the self-defence thing only works if the 'perpetrator' is in the middle of trying to attack you when you swing d-lock at him

• e.g. you can't chase after him after he tries to attack you and bash his window in as he is making his getaway. Similarly, you can't slash his tyres if you see him parked up and claim that that is self defence.
  
  

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the cbt ain't all that... you have seen idiot kids on scooters wearing flipflops and soon to need skin graft operations. it teaches you to use the indicator essentially. Full bike tests are of course a completely different thing and pretty taxing.

these things are only useful if the person wants to learn.

Whoever said they didn't want to learn to drive??? it's useful to see things from all perspectives

Whoever said they didn't want to learn to drive??? it's useful to see things from all perspectives

I don't want to learn to drive. I've seen the world from inside cars a lot. I'm sure driving feels different, but I don't need to drive right now and I know more than enough about transport to enable me to forgo the personal experience. If I ever needed to learn to drive, I would.

A thick layer of goose fat over one's back?

RECOGNISE this: you admit that you 'undertook' a van. Which then decided to pull over. I would imagine you've never driven a motorised vehicle with right-hand drive? there are these things called 'blind-spots...'

you chatting rubbish!

1.i know how to spell "recognise", it was a gangsta typo.
2.what do you do when a vehicle is moving slow? do you always overtake it?
the van was moving slowly, but wasn't indicating that he's turning anywhere + there was oncoming traffic.
3.I'm driving every day both cars and vans and been driving for last 12 years both right and left hand drive vehicles of all sorts.

you chatting rubbish!

1.i know how to spell "recognise", it was a gangsta typo.
2.what do you do when a vehicle is moving slow? do you always overtake it?
the van was moving slowly, but wasn't indicating that he's turning anywhere + there was oncoming traffic.
3.I'm driving every day both cars and vans and been driving for last 12 years both right and left hand drive vehicles of all sorts.

Blimey, you must be seriously ambidextrous.

the cbt ain't all that... you have seen idiot kids on scooters wearing flipflops and soon to need skin graft operations. it teaches you to use the indicator essentially. Full bike tests are of course a completely different thing and pretty taxing.

these things are only useful if the person wants to learn.

Whoever said they didn't want to learn to drive??? it's useful to see things from all perspectives

Ive done a CBT, they teach you loads its a full day minimum of theory & training. Lots of stuff about safety, blind spots, clothing, helmets, other road users, road positioning, emergency brake, slow speed control plus lots more.

They make most people come back a second day at the place I did it too.