Running

ha!
just asked the one who never gives up and she said, I do 3.30 minutes per k on a good day...gulp

I did my 100th mile of 2011 on Jan 5th. Just saying, is all.

Going out on a limb here, but I reckon you probably ran more than 10 miles in 2010, and 0 miles in 2009.

What do you guys think about barefoot running? They have set us a brief to raise awareness about them and the concept of proprioception. As far as I can work out its a load of rubbish.
http://www.vivobarefoot.com/uk/

^ there's some discussion upthread about it.

generally it seems like some people swear by it, some people hate it and some people try to market it and make monies out of it. I'm gonna give it a go I think

^^ spam

Give me a free pair and I won't report you.

^ +1

I wear my Vibram five finger shoes a lot, people point and laugh.

Could you not just use green flash shoes and get the same effect?

What do you guys think about barefoot running? They have set us a brief to raise awareness about them and the concept of proprioception. As far as I can work out its a load of rubbish.
http://www.vivobarefoot.com/uk/

There's a lot of shit talked about barefoot running (seems to be some crossover with the reflexology/chiropractics crowd). But it works for me.

back out this morning for first run since the marathon 3 weeks ago.
can't believe how much more awake I feel in work.

I live half way up gipsy hill. Yesterday I ran to the top, down the parade to dulwich park, once round the park, up cox's walk through the woods, down sydenham hill to crystal palace park, once round the park, up the steps of the ruins, back down the parade, down college road and back up gipsy hill to finish.

about 10 miles, abut 1hr 20, about one third climbing.

I feel a little stiff today.

Running totals for October:
Planned: 407km
Actual: 322km
Thats 28hours of running spread over 22 outings, mostly off road. Average pace 4:56min/km. Not perfect but I'm pretty happy with that. 436km planned for November...

Oh and on the subject of barefoot... it's a very polarised topic but intellectually I wholly support the idea. However, I normally decline to run completely unshod and find my VFFs to be impractical for long long runs (I'm perfectly happy up to about 20km on road). I therefore try to chose a minimal shoe with good flexibility in the sole. My experience has been that since transitioning from a "conventionally shod", heel striking running technique I have found myself to be far more resistant to injuries, and far more stable off road. Personally it seems to work for me.

I wear my Vibram five finger shoes a lot, people point and laugh.

Would you consider buying and wearing these if you didnt have your Vibrams? Also what was it that made you go for the vibrams?
http://http://www.vivobarefoot.com/uk/mens/evo-ii-mens-13.html/

doing some research are we?

maybe! do you have any opinions about them that you want to share?

I wear my Vibram five finger shoes a lot, people point and laugh.

Maybe you should try running in them, see how people react then...

I do, however it takes a lot more commitment to run in them I find, due to the loading they put on my calves.

If I just want to run a nice 10K after work I invariably take the "normal" running shoes, as I know I can compete the distance in 48-55 minutes.

With the barefoot shoes I find that I am limited to around 5K because after that my calves are worn out, this will also limit my running over the next few days, as I'll need to give it a rest, whereas with the normal shoes I am good to go again the next day.

Running in the Vibrams is something I want to do more of, but being time-poor at the moment I tend to wear them simply because they are comfortable shoes, rather than to go running in.

What's your stride rate in the Vibrams?

I do, however it takes a lot more commitment to run in them I find, due to the loading they put on my calves.

If I just want to run a nice 10K after work I invariably take the "normal" running shoes, as I know I can compete the distance in 48-55 minutes.

With the barefoot shoes I find that I am limited to around 5K because after that my calves are worn out, this will also limit my running over the next few days, as I'll need to give it a rest, whereas with the normal shoes I am good to go again the next day.

Running in the Vibrams is something I want to do more of, but being time-poor at the moment I tend to wear them simply because they are comfortable shoes, rather than to go running in.

Surely this is just a matter of time though? I just got rid of calf soreness/stiffness after a long run, that's after 9 months of running. Now I can easy do 5k with no stiffness at all, and just a little bit sore after 10

What's your stride rate in the Vibrams?

It feels a lot higher, I'd have to dig through some Garmin Connect data to get the figures

Surely this is just a matter of time though? I just got rid of calf soreness/stiffness after a long run, that's after 9 months of running. Now I can easy do 5k with no stiffness at all, and just a little bit sore after 10

Yeah, I am sure that if I stuck with it and ran exclusively in the Vibrams I'd condition my calves and would be able to run without pain limiting me- however that would basically mean going back to the start again, and building up to running 10K reliably.

At the moment I don't have the time or inclination to do that, as I can knock out a 10K whilst heal-striking every night of the week.

Come spring I might try to go for an early morning run in the Vibrams, and build up.

I can knock out a 10K whilst heal-striking every night of the week.

one day, one day

Dammit, you do understand that running every night of the week doesn't allow the recovery phase of training that is vital to actually seeing the benefit of you're training?

If you are not giving yourself time to recover you will be constantly training sub optimally, and so will actually make less progress with your running than otherwise.

There are things you can do to speed up recovery like ice baths and massage but rest is a key element to any successful training regime.

I'm not running every night of the week- it was a rhetorical device.

I have found that my performance degrades if I don't have sufficient time to recover.

I usually try to run one night, then gym the next, then run etc.

No, I doubt I would buy the vivo s. I'm more likely to go for the trail oriented shoes such as the Meryl Trail Glove the New Balance Minimus Trail, or one of the minimal (and non cleated) inov-8 shoes. If Vivo want to give me a free pair I'll happily try and review them though ;)

As for calf tiredness, I used to get this but have found that having converted to a mid/forefoot gait about 20 months ago I am now more comfortable running like that than heel striking. My VFFs cause slightly more strain on the calves than my other shoes but still I'm now happy at 20k+ on road with no appreciable soreness (actually I've never tried further). I'm also equally happy with 60-70km weekends in other minimal(ish) shoes.