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I agree. We sit around while these fairies roll about injured.
5 or 6 minutes a game to stop Liverpool fans moaning at the end of a season about a pen that cost them the league is fine with me. :)

@ pisti,

footballs never been about a fair result, better teams lose against teams they should beat all the time, what your looking for is the mechanisation of something which is better left as a fluid system. which takes the uncertainty out of the game, the uncertainty, the knowledge that its not all set in stone is what draws me back.

We need better/more referees, or better communication and responsibility for the ones we have, rather than more technology, to definitivel say this was a penalty, this wasn't.

Yes there's a lot more stopping of games for advertisers, but in american football there's a lot more stoppage for replays on close calls and it takes a long fucking time...

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Hmmmm... I'm with you on this one Andy

@ pisti,

footballs never been about a fair result

Well maybe it should be.

I agree. We sit around while these fairies roll about injured.
5 or 6 minutes a game to stop Liverpool fans moaning at the end of a season about a pen that cost them the league is fine with me. :)

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I don't mean ALL dodgy decisions(otherwise there'd be no need for a ref) just penalty box incidents where there is doubt and the ref can't give a 100% conident decision

i'll take the odd delay for increased justice. it's only penalty and goal line decisions. you get less than 5 such decisions per match.
i was at OT in the away end on sat. had a clear view of the gomes/ronaldo incident and i was so angry for an hour after the penalty. i haven't felt that violently angry for ages. and it would be so easy to avoid, but i can see why the big clubs like utd don't want video replays

The problem remains that you'll still get disputes as supporters will have different interpretations of the same incident. Video replays will never solve that.

@ pisti,

footballs never been about a fair result, better teams lose against teams they should beat all the time, what your looking for is the mechanisation of something which is better left as a fluid system. which takes the uncertainty out of the game, the uncertainty, the knowledge that its not all set in stone is what draws me back.

We need better/more referees, or better communication and responsibility for the ones we have, rather than more technology, to definitivel say this was a penalty, this wasn't.

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Totally disagree. Football should ALWAYS be fair or why should we the fans, footballers, managers and the millions of people involved bother? There's too much money at stake nowadays from the punter paying his £25 a game to the advertising, sponsorship, wages, TV rights etc to just rely on some clumsy old know nothing, out of touch ref with 'loyaltys'
Besides, the only progressive tehnology in World Football is the design of football boots/kits/balls....that's it

The problem remains that you'll still get disputes as supporters will have different interpretations of the same incident. Video replays will never solve that.

The camere never lies, look at the Mendes goal at OT

The camere never lies, look at the Mendes goal at OT

Compare it against Hurst's second goal at Wembley in 1966. Goal or not?

http://www.rightresult.net/

Compare it against Hurst's second goal at Wembley in 1966. Goal or not?

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Footballs never been fair Pisti, I'm not sure what cloud cuckooland you've been sitting in but its not, and this constant bashing of referees because there's too much money in the game is just so much codswallop, there's always been money in the game, there always will be money in the game.
You all say video replays for stuff in the box, penalties, over the line etc, but what about off the ball incidents, man clean through brought down by last man, violent challenges/straight red's. Once video replay is in, won't it be extended to other incidents, because obviously we want to keep the game fair, too much money in football for decisions like that to be taken by a referee that blatantly doesn't know the game. Next thing you know football is awash with video replay for any and everything...
Nah leave as is, I say..

found this excellent dissection of chelsea's performance on a guardian football blog..

If Chelsea were an Italian club the media would be livid with this performance. Shots Barca 20 to 3, possession 70% Barcelona, fouls 7 to 20. It will undoubtedly be referred to as some sort of heroic defensive performance, which it wasn't really. Poor finishing, questionable refereeing, cynical fouls and Petr Cech kept Barcelona off the scoresheet.

spot on pistanator. there are clear cut mistakes that noone deabtes on seeing the footage. our lads did so well to win the 1st half 2-0 at OT, lot of hard work and a remarkable achievemnet for a team as average as ours, then howard webb undoes all that with a shit call and we all know united are on course for another win.

United were on course for that win regardless of the penalty decision. The real villain of the piece is Harry Redknapp who decided it was best to defend a 2-0 lead. At Old Trafford. When United needed the win. That's criminal that is.

It's not so much about being 'fair' it's more about referees making stupid, obvious mistakes, they need help
If someone gets a slap off the ball and the ref doesn't see it then it's up to the assistants, if they don't see then the FA gets involved afterwards, more often tha not resulting in a fine/suspension. A dodgy 'pen' or 'goal' cannot be changed afterwards, damage is done

Start of the season, Stoke v Everton, Yakubu was fouled 4yrds in the box, EVERYBODY could see it. Whiley gave the foul BUT outside the box, Result - Moyes got sent off and fined! Typical FA being the sinister, narky twats they are

This pen chat is shit, Utd spent probably over 30 mins of the second half camped in the Yids 18yd box. IMO if you are putting pressure on the defenders and taking the game to the other team and win a pen then fair play.

If spurs had been putting the same pressure on down the other end they might have had the same decision. but that wasn't the case. you make your own luck

Typical Arsenal anti Spurs post, complete bollocks

I think it adds to the excitement in rugby. With the big screens showing if it was a try or not. Can't see why that would not be the same in football

I think it adds to the excitement in rugby. With the big screens showing if it was a try or not. Can't see why that would not be the same in football

Probably because you watch all your football on telly. Video replays wouldn't work in football IMO, it's too fast a game. There aren't even that many contentious decisions really. Leave it as it is.

I think it adds to the excitement in rugby. With the big screens showing if it was a try or not. Can't see why that would not be the same in football

Agreed. To see if the ball is touched down properly or the player is out of touch. They're the only reasons they use video and it takes what, all of 30/45 secs?

Pens and goal line incidents FTW!

Then maybe Liverpool wouldn't have won the CL in Istanbul - remember Garcias 'goal' in the Chelsea Semi at Anfield!?

Oh YAAAAWWWWNNNN

Then a penalty and a red card to their keeper instead. Please!

You got him there Mike! Everyone seems to have forgotten the assault by the Chelsea keeper (was it Cech or Cudicini, my memory fails me?)

Scenario:

It's the FA Cup Final, you're there watching your team, 1-1, 89mins. They have a shot, bounces off the bar onto the line, you're not exactly sure if it's a goal from you're seat, nobody is.
The ref gives it, they win, you lose...
You get home, see it on Sky, the balls not over the line, mass media hysteria...
3 days later the ref apologises

How would you feel?

About as pissed off as I was in 2002 when Henchoz took on the role of keeper to save from Pires and nothing was given. I got over it.