Football

jonny
great to bump into the boss man yesterday. on two wheels too.

let's try and sort football thread xmas beers this year.

in fact let's make this simple.

The Lamb on Lambs Conduit Street. Thursday 10 or Friday 11.

I'm gonna stick my neck out and say: I think the Lamb is shit.

Clive makes it to The Guardian.......

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/14/should-you-be-sacked-for-off-duty-behaviour-clive-o-connell-chelsea-scouse-scum

Corny's gonna be gutted he didn't get to post that...

I never knew he called us 'inbreds'?!

Clive's from Esher right??

Scouse has to be the least inbred thing imaginable. They're a complete mix of migrant labourers from across the UK with the occasional forrun sailor thrown into the mix.

It's like someone took the bottom from all the gene pools and put them all in one terraced slum.

Definitely not inbred.

Even the google cached version of some of the DotW blog posts have now disappeared. Someone's been busy.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

As I've said before, his employers were spineless and he deserves to work for a better company.

I assume you mean that we should have spoken up when he started insulting Scousers, but we weren't scousers.

We also had a chance when he moved onto Mancs,

Likewise Norfolk, Newcastle and Stoke

Thinking about it that way, I agree. I only got upset when he started having a go at Stoke, and by then it was too late :(

Good analogy. Niemöller was quite happy to defend Hitler and his Party at first, and was perhaps hinting at that when he was suggesting no-one would speak out for him.

Just as in Clive's case, we can suggest that his treatment was over the top, but he's definitely not innocent.

That's what you meant, right?

Dear fucking God.

So, apparently England tried playing football on Friday night?

Fuck me, I only found out 10mins ago!

#arsed

Not quite, they were given a lesson in football by Spain. England however, are not yet at a level where they can even pick anything up from the lesson.

Daniel Taylor in The Guardian said Carrick was a player good enough to get into the Spanish midfield.

Mowing the grass presumably.

He said "elegant enough".

I mean, he could. Technically. He'd be like a slower Alonso.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would put even the smallest amount of cash on England getting out their group in the Euros. We are all Billy Big Balls against shit opposition, but as soon as we come up against a team who aren't even all that, we show ourselves up for the mugs we are.

We've lost more times to Scotland than anyone else Mike.

Opposition P W D L F A
Scotland 112 47 24 41 198 172
Wales 101 66 21 14 245 90
Brazil 25 4 10 11 23 34
Italy 26 8 8 10 32 30
Spain 24 12 3 9 39 26
France 29 16 5 8 67 36
Sweden 24 8 9 7 38 32
Germany 16 7 3 6 32 24
West Germany 13 5 2 6 16 15
Hungary 22 15 2 5 56 30
Netherlands 19 5 9 5 28 24
Uruguay 11 3 3 5 11 15
Austria 18 10 4 4 58 27
Ireland 61 48 9 4 239 54
Yugoslavia 14 5 5 4 23 20
Denmark 19 12 4 3 36 19
Northern Ireland 37 27 7 3 84 27
Portugal 22 9 10 3 45 25
Romania 11 2 6 3 10 10

If someone wanted to, they'd go through the full list of results, and allocate a Nation to a category.
As we've played more European teams than anyone else, you'd probably want to classify them as E1 (for the good teams), E2 (for our level), and E3 for Luxembourg etc.
And then whack in SA for South America.

Opposition P W D L F A Location
Scotland 112 47 24 41 198 172 E2
Wales 101 66 21 14 245 90 E2
Brazil 25 4 10 11 23 34 SA
Italy 26 8 8 10 32 30 E1
Spain 24 12 3 9 39 26 E1
France 29 16 5 8 67 36 E1
Sweden 24 8 9 7 38 32 E2
Germany 16 7 3 6 32 24 E1
West Germany 13 5 2 6 16 15 E1
Hungary 22 15 2 5 56 30 E2
Netherlands 19 5 9 5 28 24 E1
Uruguay 11 3 3 5 11 15 SA
Austria 18 10 4 4 58 27 E2
Ireland 61 48 9 4 239 54 E2
Yugoslavia 14 5 5 4 23 20 E2
Denmark 19 12 4 3 36 19 E2
Northern Ireland 37 27 7 3 84 27 E2
Portugal 22 9 10 3 45 25 E2
Romania 11 2 6 3 10 10 E2
Switzerland 24 16 5 3 56 19 E2
USSR 11 5 3 3 19 13 E2
Argentina 14 6 6 2 21 15 SA
Chile 6 2 2 2 4 5 SA
Croatia 7 4 1 2 18 10 E2
Czechoslovakia 12 7 3 2 25 15 E2
Norway 12 7 3 2 28 7 E2
Republic of Ireland 16 5 9 2 20 13 E2
Belgium 21 15 5 1 70 25 E2
Peru 3 2 0 1 8 4 SA
Poland 19 11 7 1 30 11 E2
Russia 2 1 0 1 4 2 E2
Ukraine 7 4 2 1 9 3 E2
Albania 4 4 0 0 12 1 E2
Andorra 4 4 0 0 16 0 E3
Belarus 2 2 0 0 6 1 E2
Bulgaria 10 6 4 0 16 2 E2
C.I.S. 1 0 1 0 2 2 E2
Colombia 5 3 2 0 10 3 SA
Cyprus 2 2 0 0 6 0 E3
Czech Republic 2 1 1 0 4 2 E2
East Germany 4 3 1 0 7 3 E3
Ecuador 3 2 1 0 5 2 SA
Estonia 4 4 0 0 9 0 E2
Finland 11 9 2 0 36 7 E2
FYR Macedonia 4 2 2 0 5 3 E2
Georgia 2 2 0 0 4 0 E2
Greece 9 7 2 0 23 3 E2
Iceland 2 1 1 0 7 2 E3
Israel 4 2 2 0 5 1 E3
Liechtenstein 2 2 0 0 4 0 E3
Lithuania 2 2 0 0 7 0 E3
Luxembourg 9 9 0 0 47 3 E3
Malta 3 3 0 0 8 1 E3
Moldova 4 4 0 0 16 0 E3
Montenegro 4 1 3 0 7 4 E3
Paraguay 3 3 0 0 8 0 SA
San Marino 6 6 0 0 37 1 E3
Serbia and Montenegro 1 1 0 0 2 1 E2
Slovakia 3 3 0 0 8 2 E2
Slovenia 4 4 0 0 9 4 E2
Turkey 10 8 2 0 31 0 E2

i.e. we're as good as can be expected.

But if we start throwing in money spend and how much the FA etc
and oh, i can't be fucked anymore.

What about the possession stats?

English football in microcosm then.

We're an E2 nation right?

We are. And we collectively wring our hands about it after every failure at a tournament. And say things must change. But they never do because no-one can be arsed to make the changes that need to be made. Or we compromise and come up with a half arsed solution.

Ahhhh, good old Michael Carrick...so good that not once have any of the top European clubs come sniffing

One of many players masquerading as a footballer for the last 15yrs

Is the half arsed solution called Roy Hodgson?