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But he's apologised! Get over it. /s
Fucking love the post-truth world we live in, where Tory talking heads can now get away with repeating the lie (that he actually apologised) in interviews and discussions and go unchallenged. All because they've repeated it for a few weeks, so that now ≠ fact
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I guess it's a bit of everything.
The impact of social media, modern journalism, and the depth of blatant lying is a big factor. But also the depressing rationality of it all.
If everyone thinks and expects politicians to lie, it makes sense to lie, lie big, and then double (or treble) down and lie about lying.
The Tory's have such a fucking huge majority, even from a conservative standpoint they could be making real strides in certain areas, but instead it's just japes and coverups.
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A politician that didn’t lie... now there’s an idea
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It's not clear what grounds could be given for not admitting Ukraine to NATO. They're a sovereign nation and could make the request to be admitted. Saying "we won't admit you because it will annoy Putin" is hardly a respectable response.
This whole thing just utterly stinks, which is why I think Gavin Williamson was right to tell the Russian government to effectively fuck off. We know they lie, which is why we judge them by their actions. Rolling your tanks up to a neighbours border and then both-sidesing the subsequent discussions is just bullshit. NATO existed to prevent expansion of the USSR into Europe. If Putin has to hold the threat of invasion over Ukraine then he's admitting that he can't deal fairly with them as a free sovereign state.
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If Putin has to hold the threat of invasion over Ukraine then he's admitting that he can't deal fairly with them as a free sovereign state.
Well he's already shown he can't deal fairly with free will/free thinking in his own country + from Russian citizens outside Russia too. So it's not that great a step to project this onto a state he considers to be Russian also.
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Putin knows that we already know that knows that. The whole farce is utterly transparent. I'm just at a bit of a loss as to what these diplomatic discussions actually amount to. The only reason that I can think of is to make Putin feel important by just turning up, while giving him nothing at all either way so he can't present to the Russian public that the west are being threatening or insultingly dismissive. The alternative is to just call them on their bullshit, which lots of commentators are prepared to do, but apparently none of the people in the room.
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^ this makes a lot of sense and the bad-faith diplomacy is just a case of going through the motions (while scoring some easy political points with the rather obvious diplomatic traps, e.g. from the UK's point of view Lavrov making a fool of Truss, etc.). + the ridiculous accusations of genocide by Ukraine.
Whatever happens from here, I find it hard to see (from my limited knowledge) an outcome that doesn't include further annexation of parts of Ukraine - probably presented as a least-worst-case scenario with some spin about the population being such large % Russian wanting to be part of a greater Russia again.
But we probably really know next to bugger all about what's actually going on on the ground.
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How the Ukraine crisis plays out in Putin’s head
William Hague in The Times
Since I wrote last month about my encounters with Vladimir Putin, many people have asked me for reassurance about what he will do: that surely, he is rational, that he understands the cost — in Russian lives and severe sanctions — of starting a war. Yes, he is rational. But this is what he may be thinking:
No one should be surprised. I wrote everything down in July last year for the whole world to read. Why do they think I wrote a 5,000-word essay titled On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians — that I am becoming an academic or training in journalism? It is what I think about every waking hour, and I spelt it out: “Russians and Ukrainians are one people — a single whole.” The situation in Ukraine today, I argued “involves a forced change of identity” comparable to “the use of weapons of mass destruction against us”.
“Historians might dispute my view that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are all descendants of Ancient Rus, back in the 10th century. But these people can only write about history; I am about to make history. The Bolsheviks robbed Russia when they handed Crimea to Ukraine. I have already corrected that. Now I have the chance to complete the task of forging one people.
Why now? I could not do it earlier. I need the West in retreat, and China watching my back. Both have now obliged. And I cannot leave it until later. I am nearly 70, and I am not embarking on this at 80. Any successor — although I’m not choosing one for a long time — will lack my ability to outmanoeuvre the West.
Besides, the Ukrainians are getting more and more ambitious about “freedom”. And those bungling fools who have run Belarus and Kazakhstan have been losing control — taking over Ukraine will show them all who is the boss. The only question has been how to do it.
I can give the order any day now, and then it is about 48 hours to the action. I keep reading that we will attack them on three sides, but of course there is a fourth side — inside. The gangs inside Ukraine will be invited to cause havoc, in the same way they helped us in Odessa in 2014.
In the West, they have not understood how organised crime can be an extension of the state, but we have perfected that already with cyberattacks. And my agents will visit the Ukrainian oligarchs and make clear the choice they face. When they have to choose between billions of dollars in contracts or liquidation they are usually, let us say, impressionable.
The Ukrainians can be brave and there is a risk that they will fight well. Within the first hours, therefore, they will be isolated by air, land and sea. All communications will be down, except to hear that their leaders have fled, their soldiers are surrendering and the world has abandoned them. Towns that hold out will have no food or power. Let us see how long people resist with no heating in the winter and no hope of victory or rescue. So sad, when their side will have started it.
The British and the Americans have been highly irritating with their release of intelligence on the pretexts we might have for an invasion. But be in no doubt, it will be Ukrainians who will fire first, even if they are already dead at the time.
I am still, for a few more hours, open to negotiation. But that has to mean the total neutralisation of Ukraine so that it can be re-absorbed more gradually.
The visitors to Moscow from western capitals have had a big problem — if they stick with the Americans, we ask them why they bothered coming. Sergei Lavrov is good at that. But if they discuss ideas of their own, like Macron, they divide the West. It is a problem with democracy that the leaders have to look like they are achieving something even when they’re not. I prefer to hold still while I’m actually doing something. It is so much more intimidating.
And then there will be the trial of strength. The West will be stunned by the speed and scale of the military action, but they will react with outrage, sanctions and the freezing of relations. But we have moved most of our assets, and when the fuss is over the map of the world will have changed.
The UN will do nothing. Ukraine will be returned to “partnership with Russia”, as I delicately put it in my essay. It will take time to turn Ukrainians back into Russians, but we have been doing that for a thousand years and we are getting very good at it.
How long will the West hold together? It will be more a crisis for them than for me. No one can freeze out Russia. There is no way of pursuing nuclear arms control without us, or passing any UN resolutions, or getting enough gas. The EU is only as strong as its weakest links; why does anyone think I have spent so much attention on the Hungarians and others? Western Europeans are dependent for defence on America, for energy on Russia and for trade on China, while fantasising about “autonomy”. They think power comes from being interdependent but setting the rules for everyone. I think it comes from making others dependent and following my own rules. They think like traders; I think like an intelligence officer.
Then there are the Americans. Trump will soon be back in the game, confusing them again. He will want deals with Russia. Their unity will not hold. They read hundreds of millions of items on social media that make them hate each other, many of which were written in Russia. Sometimes I have to laugh. What is the point of physical strength if you leave your mind open to hostile influence? But that’s my KGB training again.
This conquest will be the beginning of the post-western order. Ukrainians will join Syrians and Afghans on the list of people the West has abandoned and betrayed. Their credibility will be at an end. And if you are in Georgia, Moldova, the Balkans or the Middle East, you are going to think twice before defying Uncle Vladimir.
This is my best guess at Putin’s rationality — devoid of concern for loss of life, human rights and the peaceful settlement of disputes, but that is consistent with his record. The visit of the German chancellor to Moscow may be the last chance to persuade Putin that the West is stronger than he thinks.
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Erm, the Ukraine in Nato question...everyone's forgotten that Russia and Ukraine are at war. Russia has occupied a big chunk of Ukraine. The minute Ukraine joins Nato, all Nato members are committed to driving Russia out of Crimea and the Donbas region. Mutual self-defence is what Nato is for.
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is william hague OK
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an essay by putin ventriloquised by william hague, for some bizarre reason
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No. The article has Hague's words in italics and Putin's words not in italics. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-ukraine-crisis-plays-out-in-putins-head-l79vms55j
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Woman gives up rental flat for refugees, installs new boiler and makes some other improvements.
Home office known to work with companies that have shit recommendation with mould and all* says it's not good enough.
Gives up, refugees stuck in hotel. Great admin process people...
*Definitely the case in Northern Ireland.
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So he's still leaving open the "I was mistaken" defence if things become completely undeniable. Classic - presumably first week PPE lecture at Oxford stuff...