In the news

He makes a very strong case (in my opinion) for the fact that what's going on isn't mindless, they're doing it for a reason. We may not agree but something is motivating them.

http://news.sky.com/home/article/16046477

i heard this man and he is very intelligent and makes a good point. However I think in Cameron's defence the use of the word 'senseless' is understandable but like all politicians he is a short term thinker for long term problems. The academic didn't seem to grasp the need for cracking down on the problem right now though. Any society that doesn't have force of law or the threat of it is in big trouble. A combination of this and serious solution finding as he mentions is essential.

So much tension on Deptford High Street. The police are doing their best to make themselves visible. Most shops shut/borded up. Had to walk half a mile to find an off license.

There was a bunch of about 20 young teenagers hanging out at one end of the street...people were eyeing them very suspiciously.

just as an aside, did anyone see shooting stars last night
pure class vic and bob back to their surreal comedic best

sorry but the clifford stott reference above made me think of davie stott, one of the big night out characters

yeah it was ace - Brigdet Neilson did not have a clue what was going on

Cycled through Lewisham centre about half an hour ago, most shops closed but still quite a few going around normal everyday business. Not much sign of the rioting other than some boarded up windows and a big police presence, all hanging about in groups along the main street.

This has succesfully demonised anyone under 20 who is out on the street

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euDqKM36GoM

On a serious note, i was right in the middle of the shit in Clapham - Big off roaders parked up in our road with Genrals in them, ordering the little scrotes to target certain shops and products.

These kids dont live in abject poverty, they live in flats with (now several) plasmas and playstations, and chose looking like a big man on the estate over participating in education - society hasnt forgoten them, they have chosen to live within a sub society of their own making, where geting repped for your trainers is more important than educating yourself, and where a total lack of family structure has meant that gang culture is the only family they know.

The reason they were out last night was simply because they could get free shit with no consequences.

On a side note KFC about the only in tact shop in CJ

Right, so are rioters going from Peckham to Deptford to Greenwich tonight? In which case, do any other forumengers who live in Bermondsey fancy joining me for a spot of potato dropping/photography while they pass through?

george orwell predicted it....

the day that man relies solely on credit, is the day that the world ends.

or something like that! How many people (especially low/non earners) rely on store credit/ store credit cards/ payday loans/ benefits (of one form or another) to get through each month? of the 60m in the UK I would hazard a guess its more than 60%
So for 60% of the UK's population, the world has already ended, so fuck it, lets burn it.

there, now I'm a philosopher.
But people with more IQ's realise the only way out is to sit tight and trade out of it, its not pretty, and its sure as hell not fun, anyone who doesn't like it, leave the UK.

Surrey Quays shoping centre closed...

Camila Batsh!t has always been listened to and has an ingenious blackmailing funding technique. I've taken people (big wigs) to see her work and she's got them to get their cheque books out and write 5 figure + sums.

There's a strange medical model she espouses too - brain injury in young men basically.

Think I also saw her speaking of effect of skunk on kids with what are basically undiagnosed personality disorders already. Guess what, it's not a good combo.

the big enfield fire last night wasn't just sony stuff - also the stock warehouse for Domino, Sub Pop, 4AD, Matador, Warp, Ninja Tune, XL... bad times for music.

One copy of an MP3 ensures distribution these days.

If you only care about computer files... Patrick Wolf has lost all his stock of one album and all of his 7" singles :(

fancy joining me for a spot of potato dropping?

euph?

Surrey Quays shoping centre closed...

It was closed last night as a precaution too

Right, so are rioters going from Peckham to Deptford to Greenwich tonight? In which case, do any other forumengers who live in Bermondsey fancy joining me for a spot of potato dropping/photography while they pass through?

i have to ride from camberwell to lewisham via new cross carrying a priceless (to me, anyway) acoustic guitar tonight. much as I hate to be defeated by the situation, i'm wondering if this a good idea...

A guy I know in London received an email last night from a friend in Beirut checking if he was ok.

^ priceless

Its all about making sure ones area is more bigged up than others - interesting views from kids in Brixton . .

http://audioboo.fm/boos/434327-young-people-from-brixton-on-the-riots

I have now lost any sympathy I ever had. Burn them all and do it fucking now!!!!!!!!!!

"It's the government's fault" "yeah, the conservatives" "yeah, or whoever it is"

"it's the rich people's fault, the one's with businesses"

cunts. of. the. highest. order.

Helvetica.

Makes a statement.

well after listening to those two girls on the bbc in croydon explaining why they were rioting i hope we can all see what we are up against. seriously no more excuses tonight. I hope all of us stand up and be counted tonight

Taking the fight to teenage girls since 2011.

there's no place for comic sans in a looting situation

If you only care about computer files... Patrick Wolf has lost all his stock of one album and all of his 7" singles :(

Meh.

I wonder what the numbers of people cleaning up will be compared to the numbers of people being cunts

Is this #londonriot poetry? Some of the line breaks are influenced by Muldoon, I believe.