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the biggest reason i've been against ID cards is it's the tories who will be implementing it and have oversight of the system and we're about 5 years from them sending out squads to round up dissidents against the regime based on their current trajectory.

What's the difference to having to use an ID card to access services compared to having to provide your name and address to access a service?

Given the sharing of data between government systems (UTRN, NI number, name/address/dob, passport number, email address, car registration number, NHS Number), I'm not sure I understand the argument for why having a national ID card makes things worse.

That particular horse bolted the stable a long time ago imho.

Again, it's not the actual piece of plastic I am advocating for, forget that. Like @Lolo describes you can build a very sophisticated system without the card itself.
It's the central database and the digital identities I am in favour of, and when you killed off the cards you pretty much killed off the opportunity to build the database.

I'm not sure I understand the argument for why having a national ID card makes things worse.

It’s more a problem if you have to pay for it.

Yeah, I agree - it's not a de-facto surveillance state that we live in and hasn't been for years, it's de-jure, given that we have bulk indiscriminate surveillance of internet traffic.

Yes, the Tories will give it to Capita to run, but at this point I think we just need to be glad they're not giving it to Pornhub.

Build it on the NI number infrastructure I suppose, given that that's not opt-in as drivers licence and passports are.

Or setting it up so anyone in poverty (or with poverty within a given number of generations) can be tracked so they can't get decent health insurance when they inevitably dissolve the NHS in favour of John Penrose's (other anti-corruption champions may apply) favourite shortlist of providers. All justified using population statistics...

Cunts

And then you need a different one depending on govt departments, and the databases get hacked, and they sell access to their mates gambling company

The problems are that:

1. when this central database is compromised - which it inevitably will be - all of the connected services are compromised at the same time.

   Currently identity theft requires tediously working from weaker to stronger proofs of identity, which takes time, effort, money and increases opportunities for detection. With a centralised DB you just need to compromise a single disgruntled DBA and harvest all the bulletproof IDs you want.

2. various illiberal policies in the past have been hampered or limited by the lack of such a system.

   Presumably there are objectionable policies the government either passed but couldn't enforce, or would have passed if it were practicable, which will be back on the menu. Delegating immigration enforcement to landlords is bad enough - imagine the Home Office had access to all this data for p-hacking plausible excuses for their tabloid-friendly xenophobia.

and they sell access to their mates gambling company

The appropriate MPs will already have been lobbied (bribed) to provide it to them anyway.

How do you get a new sheet of single use codes when the previous one is lost or destroyed? Why would the process of giving out that new sheet be any better than DVLA issuing a duplicate driving licence? Why can't we follow that process at the DVLA anyway?

"The bottom line is that I know for a fact I was not exposed and I was not masturbating in my mother's car on that day."

Not that day...!!

That just looks like I've emptied one of my bike bags during a TCR. WTF drugs are they? Just look like jelly beans.

A friend recently retired and moved to Arizona and had a similar experience.
A person listed a house online and sold it to my friend. He put a large cash deposit down and arranged a mortgage.
Three months later sheriff’s deputies showed up to kick him out. The previous owner had not made mortgage payments for six months.
My friend lost all his retirement savings, scammer disappeared without a trace.

You think you were used as a mule? :) I once borrowed a suitcase to fly to Australia via Bangkok off a mate. I checked it carefully, found some unlabelled white pills that he reckoned he was "70% sure were just headache tablets" but to let him have them and any others I found in there. I bought a new suitcase.

In retrospect, it seems strange announcing a 385 euro bust in the same week where they announce we'll soon be able to grow marijuana at home (4 plants for personal use).

Well, I packed my bags so if I was a mule I was also the kingpin :)

If I were you, I'd teach yourself a lesson for grassing yourself up on a forum. Either that or have a meeting down at the pub to settle it all.

I just really want some jellybeans now.

They seem in short supply nowadays

Brexit or Covid.

I know what this government will claim.

All this supply shit might have a positive impact though... maybe I will actually lose weight because there will be nothing left to eat. :D

If you lose your NemID code card you first cancel it online via your CPR number and your password . Then you order a new one online (identifying yourself via your passport or driving license) and it'll be shipped to the address registered with the CPR card. I have no doubt it's not bulletproof but low-level fraud seems less likely. I'd more concerned about massive irretrievable data loss.

So once you have a dodgy driving licence, as happen in the house theft case, you are half way there...

An ID card that had an online check multiple times a day would be difficult to get replaced without the owner knowing as the old would be cancelled but it would be a little intrusive.

Hope the solicitor involved has good insurance.

Still can't quite understand how it happened...

Wonder what the Rev will be saying to god now...

I've experienced three systems. Here, Canada, and Finland. Canada was probably the most "socialist". Bureaucratic and a pita, but the same for everyone (well, in the two provinces I lived - much of the ID stuff is provincial). The most liberal is here. The must neo-liberal was Finland. They've outsourced much of the online security to third parties - banks and insurance companies. My partner had to pay an extra monthly fee on our bank account so she could make doctors appointments/get prescriptions online (I had access to private healthcare with my work. Which was a public sector employer. Living the American dream!). You need your government "person number" to do everything from buy a bus pass to get a mobile phone contract. It works fine if you're part of the system. I'm not sure what the real tangible benefits are though.

The best system of the three, if you're living on the margins of society, is here. I think that's important.

But you'd also need to know the password (user chosen) to cancel the first one and hope that the actual owner doesn't need his or her NemID for a few days and physically break into a letter box on the correct day of delivery afterwards. Sounds a bit more than just a driving license, no?

There must be a password recovery process or people like my mum with dementia are screwed. Presumably there is also a process for getting a new one when your house has burnt down and so you need the replacement sent to your temporary accommodation. In this case the property was empty for a while so perhaps ideal for getting replacement documents sent to the address on file anyway.

Basically ID is really hard and magic cards don't help a lot. You need to establish a chain of trust via reputable people. Eg you give the conveyancer a list of references that know you personally and they actually follow then up. The referees need to be established people with a significant paper chain of their own and lots to lose if they lie. Would be awkward for day to day life but seems reasonable when selling property.