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https://twitter.com/drbenwhite/status/948666627196940293

Let's get this absolutely, completely straight - the Tories are very deliberately killing people so that they can make more money for their friends. Every Tory is a vile cunt. No exceptions.

I wonder how many of the people waiting in those ambulances are elderly and voted tory.

guys guys - theresa may has said sorry, ok? what more do you want from her?

I disagree with your point, because they're all cunts, but approve wholeheartedly of the appropriate use of the word 'comprise'.

my dad went into hospital yesterday as an emergency. should be ok, ongoing complications from cancer and other things.

he was lucky, he was only waiting 5 hrs to get a bed, and the ward only took him because hes in that ward frequently. they locked down the ward to new admittances after that.

My dad voted tory. without the NHS my dad would have been dead a long time ago. I cannot reconcile in my head how one can rely on the nhs so much and also vote for that fucking shower of cunts. it just makes me so angry and I had to bite my tongue so often.

To put it bluntly there isn't much that would get me protesting in the streets because I dont believe it achieves anything unless its done by everyone. The NHS is one of them.

My dad voted tory. without the NHS my dad would have been dead a long time ago. I cannot reconcile in my head how one can rely on the nhs so much and also vote for that fucking shower of cunts.

Blue passports and forrins

How anyone can look at Jeremy Cunt and not identify the huge sociopath residing within that alternately starey, blinkey fucking head is beyond me.

It's like when you hear of atrocities through history and think 'who could possibly do such a consciously destructive, vindictive and cruel thing?' well, it's cunts like Jeremy, that's who. The ideologically crazed loons who can calculate the number of deaths and suicides required to bring about large scale privatisation and write it off as a reasonable consequence of 'progress' (if progress can be defined as people paying more for less and in such a way that his pals bank balances are augmented).

If he were to slip on some ice and accidentally shank himself in the neck with his house keys, then lay alone bleeding out in the dark for a few hours before being discovered and an ambulance slowly dispatches to the wrong address, arriving just in time for the underpaid paramedics to take some photos of his last dying breaths to sell to the Daily Heil I think that would be appropriate cosmic justice. We can but hope.

The NHS problem are long in the making, labour mishandling of PFI/too many management layers/see private eye ad nauseam.

A Tory voting type, nice car, no money worries at my work though the NHS also needed reform. My instajudge brain is "Easy to say for you" again reform is one of those words that means little unless it's hammered out, maybe people just blindly believe whatever they think it means. (See also brexit)

Jeremy C takes the biscuit though. Him and ian Duncan shit are surely enough reason to never vote Tory again (unless your local labour candidate is even worse that's rare though)

Not that NI covers itself in glory with the DUP, it's a mess here. I don't see proof of a wish to systematically destroy it though. Edit: By NI parties, hunt clearly is destroying it

Mate of mind who is firmly in the true blue Tory forever mindset, in spite f literally having fuck all, has a stock answer for NHS when I point out he's supporting its dismantling and is highly likely to need it at some point.

"People have been moaning about the NHS for years. Still there ain't it?"

I expect for many Tory voting NHS using people, that's their viewpoint too. It'd have to be totally collapsed and shut down before they consider what's happening to it. Bit fucking late then though.

until it directly affects them Tories are incapable of considering the impact of any change, because they are incapable of any kind of empathy. If they were, they wouldn't be able to justify their actions.

They're "I'm alright Jack" until they're not, then they're "This is an outrage, how dare they!".

With that sort of reasoning a phonebooth with "NHS" on it is just fine too :/

Are they in any way receptive to expert reports that yes it IS going to pot and these are not "normal NHS problems"?

My dad voted tory. without the NHS my dad would have been dead a long time ago. I cannot reconcile in my head how one can rely on the nhs so much and also vote for that fucking shower of cunts.

I think people need a bit of perspective with the whole Tory vs. NHS. I can't remember the last time I heard an actual Conservative MP express the sort of opposition to the NHS people make out. Even the couple of hardline neocon Tories I know actually want a systemic change in the NHS to something more like the Swiss model, rather than a US model.

Yes, spending as a % of GDP is down, but fundamentally we spend more of our money on health than anything else, and people are using it more. Making out that there is a fundamental Conservative policy to destroy the NHS and kill people for cash is hyperbole. It reminds me of those same Tories framing middle class Labour supporters as being lazy underachievers who perpetually game the system and want everyone else to pay for their lifestyles.

Like most things in politics incompetence probably plays a greater role than any great master plan.

My boss says that he and all his friends will leave the UK if Corbyn gets in as he "won't give away 60% of his income".

Going where?

Netherlands, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and probably Spain / Portugal are out :)

Trumpistan? ;)

Trumpistan.

Bet he claims he’s a patriot too.

It's an odd conversation to have- he earns more than I do, for a certainty.

But we are both in the same tax bands- and IIRC the labour manifesto would cost us both an additional 5p per pound on everything above 80k.

I'd happily pay that for a fairer, better public system- seems a fair exchange.

But clearly we hold very different views- when it comes to politics income tax is always his main issue, and (seemingly) the reason he votes Tory.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42580194

'The gender pay gap is the pay discrepancy between men and women irrespective of their job or position.'

Defunding public services is a political tactic. To claim it's mismanagement or incompetence is wrong. It's ideology.

Party first. Facts second.

So, what about the plan to bring in ACA's, without a vote in parliament on it, which allows private companies like Virgincare, blue cross and spire be full all round care providers with no accountability to anyone except shareholders.

For all kinds of reasons those should be avoided and fought against.

For instance there is a lot of speculation that Anne Milton is going to be given the Health Secretary job in todays reshuffle which is good when you consider it gets rid of Jeremy H and is an ex-nurse.
But when you factor in that her husband is a director at Virgincare suddenly it becomes a little murky.

If she does become Health Secretary, that has to be a conflict of interest.

Edit: obviously at this current time the appointments are speculation and I will freely admit that and hope I am wrong.

her husband is a director at Virgincare

Her husband is a director at a company bought by Virgincare, but not merged in, so the NHS pension still applies to the staff.