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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/25/chinese-rail-crash-cover-up-claims
*Officials also ordered more coverage of "extremely moving" stories, such as blood donations, and said the overall theme should be "great love in the face of great disaster".
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anyone see the news a couple of nights ago of diggers rolling train carriages into trenches?! fucked. up.I was with a Chinese friend last night, we tried to go on Chinese news sites and nothing. It seems to have gone a bit too far this time.
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If you value animal life as much as humans then logically it follows that the slaughtering of millions of animals is a bigger deal than the death of a hundred humans.
Of course, whether it's worth mentioning is another thing.
It doesn't follow logically unless you're a consequentialist who places human and animal lives on the same scale, or on scales according to which it follows mathematically that millions (or try 'billions') of animal lives are 'worth' more than 90+ human lives. I don't hold either of these beliefs and think that Morrissey's remark is nonsense.
There is, however, no denying that the slaughter of billions and billions of animals every year is one of the worst problems of them all.
There's an old vegetarian slogan that says 'as long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields'. I believe that this is true. There is no point in trying to 'compare' human and animal suffering in this way, though. There is no 'value' to place on life, and human and animal suffering are inextricably interlinked.
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It doesn't follow logically unless you're a consequentialist who places human and animal lives on the same scale,
That's what I said isn't it?
It's a strange comparison to make, and it seems insensitive, but it doesn't imply that the deaths in Norway are meanignless, rather that, as horrific and tragic as they are Morrisey belives the mistreatment of animals in providing fast food chains is as horrific and on a comparably astronomical scale.
If you hold the rights of animals as high as that of people, then you should be at least as outraged by the norway killings as this.
Mankell wrote, after the killings, about the Banailty of evil and how that applies to what happened in Norway in a similar way to that of the Holocaust organisers, and I imagine that Morrisey sees the mistreatment of animals in a similar light.
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That's what I said isn't it?
You implied it but didn't spell it out.
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On the one hand he makes a valid point, that the immediate shock people have over his comment highlights what little regard people have, indirectly or otherwise, for animals. I.e. "How can he compare the ruthless murder of scores of children to the deaths of *animals!"
*However one way in which humans differ from animals largely is emotion, and to comodify the event, within a week of it's occurence, for the sake of an analogy like that does seem questionable, when you consider how it might feel to hear the death of a relative being used in such a way. But, as I say, it doesn't necessarily detract from the tragedy of the event, rather it highlights an analogue.
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What fucking nonsense, I think it's perfectly reasonable to suspect islamic extremism when there's bomb or mass killing, this doesn't make you 'islamophobic', it means you have a functioning memory and the power of reason.
As Mehdi Hasan, editor of the New Statesman, has pointed out, figures compiled by Europol, the European police agency, suggest that the threat of Islamist terrorism is minimal compared with "ethno-nationalist" and "separatist" terrorism. According to Europol, in 2006, one out of 498 documented terrorist attacks across Europe could be classed as "Islamist"; in 2007, the figure rose to just four out of 583 - less than one per cent of the total. By contrast, 517 attacks across the continent were claimed by - or attributed to - nationalist or separatist terrorist groups, such as ETA in Spain.
from AlJazeera.
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As Mehdi Hasan, editor of the New Statesman, has pointed out, figures compiled by Europol, the European police agency, suggest that the threat of Islamist terrorism is minimal compared with "ethno-nationalist" and "separatist" terrorism. According to Europol, in 2006, one out of 498 documented terrorist attacks across Europe could be classed as "Islamist"; in 2007, the figure rose to just four out of 583 - less than one per cent of the total. By contrast, 517 attacks across the continent were claimed by - or attributed to - nationalist or separatist terrorist groups, such as ETA in Spain.
from AlJazeera.
Interesting, I'll take a good look at that article (and the Europol figures) in detail tomorrow, cheers for the info.
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It was news to me too, actually.
The article seems decidedly dicey on a cursory read, but I could of course be wrong and will need to read through it in detail when I get a chance - and look through the sources / references (which are absent in the article).
What did you, yourself, read from the Europol study (and do you know where I can find a copy of it to take a look myself?).
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Can't miss the chance to stick the knife into Morrissey.
Meat-eaters view flesh as a necessity - vegetarians as a cruel luxury. The problem with the radical vegetarians is their militancy. It's all they see. On no scale can the life of, let's pick a chicken, measure up against that of a human. We're the superior species, like it or not. As a result of that anything is fair game, which is not the same as to exempt the remainder of living creatures from any rights of their own, within reason.
Senseless slaughter is precisely that, but slaughter for the fulfilment of the natural state of things is to edify further a social and cultural fact. In short, meat is to be eaten, which is not the same as to say it must be exploited/mistreated.
Morrissey has more than one eye on a quote as per usual, though I don't doubt his conviction is probably true, but he can't get beyond his own crusade. His choosing to not eat animals is no more profound than my decision to enjoy it, but still he can't get over it. Plus his music's shit so I don't rate him one measly bit.
There's no comparing the capitalist hunger for what is no more or less than food against that of a lunatic with a gun and a triviality of human life as his motivation, and only an idiot would claim otherwise.
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Morrissey.
He doesn't eat meat but he sure likes the bone.
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That's a bold claim.
I would like to see you back it up.
In the field of wombat.
Paging Hippy...
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Feel that twinge in your left knee Tiswas, just now?
I made that happen. No chicken could do that.
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They posted this on their facebook feed.
The Brooks England Blog » Blog Archive » Brooks is Closed.
blog.brooksengland.comBrooks England will close its factory doors after 145 years in business.No hint of a joke there - pretty straight up and believable. Turns out that clicking on the link is a pathetic waste of time.
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