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But you wouldn't say that a dead plant is still living either.

There are plenty of cases in which you would say a dead plant is still alive. Cut flowers are still alive. Seeds and spores are alive. They aren't living in the way that an animal is before it is dead, though.

What does that actually mean?

Ask Descartes, or Derrida, or Deleuze.. etc. It's a big ol' question. I'm just trying to assert that the idea of an animal being anything other than material once dead isn't a rare or unconsidered one.

NO WAY, Botha is off the case.

How can this be?

Maybe, just maybe, its because he has managed to turn a bail hearing into a three ring circus with the South African police assuming the role of clowns.

There are plenty of cases in which you would say a dead plant is still alive. Cut flowers are still alive. Seeds and spores are alive. They aren't living in the way that an animal is before it is dead, though.

If you hooked a bit of you (your arm say) up to the right system there's no reason why it couldn't stay alive after the rest of you had happily decomposed. I don't see what makes animals special in this respect.

Ask Descartes, or Derrida, or Deleuze.. etc. It's a big ol' question. I'm just trying to assert that the idea of an animal being anything other than material once dead isn't a rare or unconsidered one.

Fair enough, I just think that it's problematic to assert that it's anything more than material when it's "alive" in the first place.

Last time I went to an IFA I told them that I had some cash but I was looking for a house to buy ASAP. I was expecting them to say 'find a high interest instant access account and come back to see us in a couple of years'. They told me to tie it up in a one or two year bond. Wankers (not that I listened obviously).

my adviser works for Natwest, so only interested in selling RBS products. btw my index bond matures in august 2015 looks like a 27% return in value and better than any high interest account / savings blah blah.. these are rare today and the stock market has been steady for three years.

When quizzed i was told RBS invest in Stock Market companies without asking where the money really goes. So I could be funding a weapons programme, security in hot spot regions, dam building in china, or wake up to muffin empire..

obvs no one qualified to answer the fricking question ffs

Ask Descartes, or Derrida, or Deleuze..

I'd love to ask them, but they are all dead and not responding to my emails.

Surely consciousness is key to this discussion.

Dunno if Oliver has any though. He may just be a punological automata.

If you hooked a bit of you (your arm say) up to the right system there's no reason why it couldn't stay alive after the rest of you had happily decomposed. I don't see what makes animals special in this respect.

That's kind of my point. Although not so sure about happily decomposing! ;)

I'd love to ask them, but they are all dead and not responding to my emails.

How rude

my adviser works for Natwest, so only interested in selling RBS products. btw my index bond matures in august 2015 looks like a 27% return in value and better than any high interest account / savings blah blah.. these are rare today and the stock market has been steady for three years.

When quizzed i was told RBS invest in Stock Market companies without asking where the money really goes. So I could be funding a weapons programme, security in hot spot regions, dam building in china, or wake up to muffin empire..

obvs no one qualified to answer the fricking question ffs

Hm. Have you tried using a proper IFA instead of some douchenozzle working for your bank? If you get a good one they're worth their weight in gold. I can pass you the details of mine, if you like, she's very good. My boss uses her as well.

douchenozzle

^ It needed repeating.

^^ I read this and thought about our idiot Belgian consultants..
What's the collective noun for douchenozzle, please?

They're Belgian. So it should be a Van Damme of Douchenozzles.

That works i think, thanks :) btw most Belgians are awesome..
We have picked a rogue set.. Probably French in disguise ;)

Stealthed French, the dark horse in the burger of the night.

If they stop being animals when dead, does that mean so called vegan Germans have been eating them thinking it's fine?

You don't eat the animal, only its corpse. You've wasted the animal the moment you've killed it.

Animals are alive. The moment it's dead, it's no longer an animal.

You could equally say that whilst alive it's a process, and when dead it's a product.

**Three would-be suicide bombers found guilty of terror plot
**http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/21/three-wouldbe-suicide-bombers-guilty-terror

The one on the right and maybe the one on the left went to my school. One year under me.

Remember neither of them, but they showed school pictures of them on the telly.

Apparently they raised their terrorism funds by shaking charity buckets i the street. I actually saw these guys in various suburbs of Birmingham, mainly Small Heath where they were based. Always felt a little guilty for never giving them money because they actually used the name of a legit charity. Obviously glad I didnt now.

They piss me off so much for that. All the paranoia and stigma was dying down a bit. But these fucks are ruining freedoms for everyone.

The three men denied all the charges against them

How does this fit with their beliefs? Are they not supposed to be proud of what they were doing?

Well I think they failed on what they were doing, and they are no doubt cowards, and dont want to be bummed for the next couple decades either.

Those would be suicide bombers are cowards of the highest in my opinion and probably beyond help. Not sure we'll ever turn the corner with homegrown terrorism, having such a fractured and often polarised society :(

**Three would-be suicide bombers found guilty of terror plot
**http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/21/three-wouldbe-suicide-bombers-guilty-terror

The one on the right and maybe the one on the left went to my school. One year under me.

Remember neither of them, but they showed school pictures of them on the telly.

Apparently they raised their terrorism funds by shaking charity buckets i the street. I actually saw these guys in various suburbs of Birmingham, mainly Small Heath where they were based. Always felt a little guilty for never giving them money because they actually used the name of a legit charity. Obviously glad I didnt now.

is the middle one dropout with a beard, one on the right ivan d terrible? is this the new go bomb! fixie crew?

They are revolting human beings. I guess what makes us different from them is that we dont give in to irrational anger or violence, and I guess part of their plan is to bring those around them down to their level. However, I'm sure the media wont see it that way, and we'll get a load of bloodthirsty right wing bollocks from the usual sources.

You still talking about vegans?