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Reporting on the Pistorius bail hearing is like an episode of daytime courtroom drama.

Defendant: claims to have had a gun due to fear of crime.
Prosecution: then why did he sleep with the balcony doors open?

Defendant: didn't put on prostheses before the shooting.
Prosecution: the ballistics report shows bullets fired downwards from a standing stance

Defendant: believed girlfriend was in bed
Prosecution: holster was retrieved from the side of the bed she slept in

Ain't looking good for Oscar. Hard not to conclude that his tears are for himself.

aaaaaargh why did i have to read the comments.

#tooearlytobethisangry

Why did you have to make me look at the comments? Fuck whitey.

"...Ain't looking good for Oscar. Hard not to conclude that his tears are for himself."

"...police found two boxes of the male sex hormone testosterone and needles in Mr Pistorius's bedroom."

I wonder how many field-dwelling animals get slaughtered during modern mechanical harvesting procedures?

won't somebody please think of the field mice

"...police found two boxes of the male sex hormone testosterone and needles in Mr Pistorius's bedroom."

aren't 'roids meant to give you a mean temper ?
quick to anger / irrational anger

especially if your girlfriend was shagging one of the south african rugby team

I wonder how many field-dwelling animals get slaughtered during modern mechanical harvesting procedures?

I'm not trying to be the defender of vegetarianism on the internet, as I honestly don't care what anyone eats, but this point is stupid. The discussion was in relation to Kev saying eating cheap meat means you have to acknowledge your food will be pumped full of hormones, offal and gristle. None of these things are in vegertarian food, especially not if you make your own food (we don't all live off Quorn and Linda McCartneys). Pointing out that some animals will die in the process of harvesting food that vegetarians doesn't make any point and doesn't make the food non-vegetarian.

we don't all live off Quorn and Linda McCartneys

And all meat eaters don't live off Findus pancakes and pre-packaged burgers.

There. Job done.

Why have the white British left London?

This bit:
" ... London's dramatic loss of white British residents is represented by a splash of yellow and orange. Outside the capital, the dominant blues tell a story of an increasing white British population. In some places the rise is quite marked..."

Doesn't the choice of adjectives kind of give away his underlying sentiments? If I change them around I reckon it becomes quite different:

"...London's marked loss of white British residents is represented by a splash of yellow and orange. Outside the capital, the dominant blues tell a story of an increasing white British population. In some places the rise is quite dramatic..."

I'm not trying to be the defender of vegetarianism on the internet, as I honestly don't care what anyone eats, but this point is stupid. The discussion was in relation to Kev saying eating cheap meat means you have to acknowledge your food will be pumped full of hormones, offal and gristle. None of these things are in vegertarian food, especially not if you make your own food (we don't all live off Quorn and Linda McCartneys). Pointing out that some animals will die in the process of harvesting food that vegetarians doesn't make any point and doesn't make the food non-vegetarian.

It's not inconceivable that parts of various animals will make their way into one's combine-harvested grain/etc though is it.

It's as relevant and probably more factual than saying burgers have sawdust in.

This bit:
" ... London's dramatic loss of white British residents is represented by a splash of yellow and orange. Outside the capital, the dominant blues tell a story of an increasing white British population. In some places the rise is quite marked..."

Doesn't the choice of adjectives kind of give away his underlying sentiments? If I change them around I reckon it becomes quite different:

"...London's marked loss of white British residents is represented by a splash of yellow and orange. Outside the capital, the dominant blues tell a story of an increasing white British population. In some places the rise is quite dramatic..."
Change them again, and he makes less sense.

" ... London's loss of *dramatic * white British residents is represented by yellow and orange. Outside the capital, the dominant blues tell a story of an increasing splash marked British population. In some places the rise is quite white..."

It's not inconceivable that parts of various animals will make their way into one's combine-harvested grain/etc though is it.

Nanograms of field mouse dust ending up in your cous cous is a bit different to the intentional addition of (say) offal during production.

[quote=Dramatic Hammer;3428007]It's not inconceivable that parts of various animals will make their way into one's combine-harvested grain/etc though is it.

meh.

What's wrong with offal?

What's wrong with not eating cheap meat? Going back to ways of old and only having meat once or twice a week?

Or am I late to the party.

^^Maybe I should've said horse bits or sawdust

What's wrong with offal?

it's .... nah, never mind

What's wrong with not eating cheap meat? Going back to ways of old and only having meat once or twice a week?

because we want the finest meats known to humanity, we want there here and we want them now.
because it's our right and because we're worth it.

"What's wrong with offal?"

The word "offal" originates from the Danish word "affald" meaning waste; enough said.

I've noticed the burger chains have kept a low profile through all of this.

shudders
imagine just imagine

don't they have the battery farmed meat in their food which is almost certainly cheaper than cow / horse grown to even basic standards of hygene
i'd go for a mad cow over that muck any day

From Guardian...

Summary

It’s been a morning of furious claim and counter-claim from the prosecution and defence as investigator officer Hilton Botha gave evidence in Oscar Pistorius’s bail hearing. The Paralympic and Olympic athlete is charged with the murder of his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, at his house in Pretoria last week.
Botha claimed:
• That Pistorius knew Steenkamp was in the bathroom when he shot through the door and killed her. There was “no way” it was self-defence, he said. He did not believe the defendant's story that he was trying to protect himself and his girlfriend from a presumed burglar.
• That Pistorius fired at an angle into the toilet door, and that Steenkamp's wounds suggested she was not on the toilet at the time. The toilet itself was on the left in the toilet room. But Steenkamp’s wounds were on the righthand side of her body. That indicated, he said, that she was not sitting on the toilet when she was shot, but was “hiding” in the righthand side of the toilet room. The toilet room is inside the bathroom.
• That the shots were fired downwards into the door, suggesting Pistorius had his prosthetic legs on, contradicting the defendant’s account.
• That Pistorius would have had to go past his bed to walk from the balcony to the bathroom, suggesting he would have noticed whether or not Steenkamp was in bed. He also claimed he had found a holster for the gun on the same side of the bed where he found Steenkamp’s overnight bag and slippers (presumably implying that was the side on which Steenkamp was sleeping).
• That a female witness heard an argument between two people between 2am and 3am on the night in question. Steenkamp was shot around 3am. The witnesses also reported seeing the lights on, he said, contradicting Pistorius’s account that it was pitch dark.
• That any burglar would have not been able to get out of the tiny toilet room window, and would have fallen down to the ground from that height. He agreed with Pistorius that there were ladders outside the house, but said they were not near the bathroom. He said there were two dogs in the yard outside.
• **That two iPhones and two BlackBerrys were found at the scene and none had been used to call the police or paramedics. **
• That two bottles of testosterone and needles were found at Pistorius’s house.
• That Pistorius is a flight risk and should not get bail because he has offshore accounts and a house in Italy. "We don't want another Dewani matter," he says, referring to the case of Shrien Dewani, the British man accused of the murder of his wife who South Africa is currently trying to extradite from the UK.
• That Pistorius faces new charges of possession of unlicenced ammunition, since the police found .38 Special rounds in a bedroom safe. Pistorius has a licence for a 9mm pistol, not a .38.
• That Pistorius had never made complaints to police about violence or death threats against him (he said he had suffered from crime and death threats yesterday). The prosecuting lawyer, Gerrie Nel, asked why Pistorius would sleep with his balcony doors open if he was so scared about crime.
• He also raised a number of previous incidents involving guns or threats of violence and Pistorius he said he was aware of, but it was unclear whether or not this was hearsay.
But cross-examining him, defence lawyer Barry Roux claimed:
• **That the witness who said she heard an argument lives in a house 600m from Pistorius’s. **
• That this witness also said she heard two sets of three shots 17 minutes apart, yet only four cartridges were found. Botha admitted the witness had been wrong about this.
• That the witness could not say if the voices she heard belonged to Pistorius and Steenkamp. Botha admitted that was correct.
• That Botha did not ask to look at another of Pistorius’s phones – the one which the defendant did use to call for medical help. “That call was made at 3.20am,” Roux said. A security guard whom Pistorius also phoned heard the defendant continue to cry after he failed to put the phone down properly, the defence lawyer said.
• That Steenkamp’s bladder was empty when she died, indicating she had indeed got up to use the toilet. Usually at 3am you would not find an empty bladder, Roux said. Roux said Steenkamp’s autopsy showed no sign of defensive wounds or an assault. Botha said that was correct.
• That Steenkamp might have locked the toilet door to protect herself when she heard Pistorius shouting that there was a burglar.
• That it was not testosterone Botha had found at Pistorius’s house, but a herbal remedy. "It's not a steroid and it's not a banned substance,” Roux said. Botha admitted he did not know the name of the medication, saying he “didn’t read the whole name”.
• That it was pitch dark in Pistorius’s bedroom when the curtains and blinds were drawn.
The hearing will continue shortly.

"I've noticed the burger chains have kept a low profile through all of this."

What do you mean "low profile" they're riding high... try a MacSilver or an All the King's Horses today.

Reporting on the Pistorius bail hearing is like an episode of daytime courtroom drama.

Defendant: claims to have had a gun due to fear of crime.
Prosecution: then why did he sleep with the balcony doors open?

Defendant: didn't put on prostheses before the shooting.
Prosecution: the ballistics report shows bullets fired downwards from a standing stance

Defendant: believed girlfriend was in bed
Prosecution: holster was retrieved from the side of the bed she slept in

Ain't looking good for Oscar. Hard not to conclude that his tears are for himself.

And a quick turnaround: -
OP Lawyer - Was it Testosterone
Saf plod - Err Test something or other
OP Lawyer - Testoconpasumiun
Saf Plod - Oh

Saf Plod - a neighbbour heard shouting for an hour before the shooting
OP lawyer - Where does she live ?
Saf Plod - 600m away
OP lawyer - was she sure it was them ?
Saf Plod - No

I'm not trying to be the defender of vegetarianism on the internet, as I honestly don't care what anyone eats, but this point is stupid. The discussion was in relation to Kev saying eating cheap meat means you have to acknowledge your food will be pumped full of hormones, offal and gristle. None of these things are in vegertarian food, especially not if you make your own food (we don't all live off Quorn and Linda McCartneys). Pointing out that some animals will die in the process of harvesting food that vegetarians doesn't make any point and doesn't make the food non-vegetarian.

I do acknowledge this. I wasn't trying to put down vegetarians for their choices. I was wondering if Kev would acknowledge that, knowing the little we now know about the food supply chain, eating processed food of any sort runs the risk of eating "shit" as he put it. If you totally avoid all processed foods good on you. If not then you can't be sure what you're eating.

At the risk of a massive (racist!) generalisation it sounds as if SA cops aren't very used to have wealthy murder suspects with quality lawyers defending them and challenging the evidence presented.

The testosterone thing is just ridiculous. Oh, and Mr. Botha was personally tramping around the crime without shoe covers on contaminating evidence. And the defence's own forensics team found a bullet in the toilet that the police forensics sweep didn't!