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He probably tried to stiff someone on the price of an arrospok
or maybe he crossed the 5th floor crew

Dicki that is not funny but im fucking cracking up

As he is a spy and most likely killed by another spy or somekind of professional. Surely any DNA and other fragments of evidence foudn at the scene could have all been planted?

Plus you can't really trust the police in these situations either, there is a whole lot of bent coppers in the force at all levels.

yes, i'm sure its standard practice for all professional spys to just leave the body knocking about in a holdall

lugging the bloke out onto the kings road using a firemans lift and dumping him into the boot of a car might have been a bit to subtle you mean ?

i'd have just pushed him out the window.

But seriously, why bother putting him in a holdall at all?

Bobbo, i respect you opinion regarding the norwegian mass murder trial.
some parts of the world do it differently.. fair trial or not he is milking the attention
which frankly he doesn't deserve, it's all ego. those responding to this tragic event
are being hauled through the dock too..

I agree that he is milking the attention, but no matter what happens he must be given a fair trial. He is not doing himself any favour whatsoever with what he is saying in court, it is unfortunate that he has been given such a platform, but in order to draw a line under this he has to be given a fair and transparent trial. His conviction or sectioning will not provide the families of his victims with closure but it is the closest that they will get.

Making him disappear in some kind of CIA style extraordinary rendition to a hell-hole of a prison in a far flung corner of the globe would solve the problem of his desire for publicity in the short term, but before long it would attract the conspiracy theory nutters who would gleefully manufacture "evidence" to suit their paranoid outlook on the world. This in turn would mean that the events of that day would continually be dragged up, when it should be left alone.

i see your point
maybe it was gareth " houdini " williams trying an escapology act ... and funnily enough this is now on the guardian website !!!

The MI6 officer found dead in a padlocked bag in the bath at his flat once had to be rescued by his landlords after they found him tied to his bedposts, an inquest heard.
Jennifer Elliot, who rented a flat in Cheltenham to Gareth Williams while he worked at GCHQ, said she and her husband heard him shouting for help one night at 1.30am about three years ago.
When the couple went into the flat, they were shocked to find him in boxer shorts on his back on the bed "with both hands tied with material attached to the headboard".
**"He said: 'I just wanted to see if I could get myself free,'" she said in a statement read to the court. "He was very embarrassed and panicky and apologising."
**

he's a serial offender
no one heard his cries the second time

He probably tried to stiff someone on the price of an arrospok
or maybe he crossed the 5th floor crew

Or he was trying to post himself to indonesia

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I agree that he is milking the attention, but no matter what happens he must be given a fair trial. He is not doing himself any favour whatsoever with what he is saying in court, it is unfortunate that he has been given such a platform, but in order to draw a line under this he has to be given a fair and transparent trial. His conviction or sectioning will not provide the families of his victims with closure but it is the closest that they will get.

Making him disappear in some kind of CIA style extraordinary rendition to a hell-hole of a prison in a far flung corner of the globe would solve the problem of his desire for publicity in the short term, but before long it would attract the conspiracy theory nutters who would gleefully manufacture "evidence" to suit their paranoid outlook on the world. This in turn would mean that the events of that day would continually be dragged up, when it should be left alone.

agreed, let the trial have closure first, then kill the bastard.. really slowly til he goes insane

i see your point
maybe it was gareth " houdini " williams trying an escapology act ... and funnily enough this is now on the guardian website !!!

The MI6 officer found dead in a padlocked bag in the bath at his flat once had to be rescued by his landlords after they found him tied to his bedposts, an inquest heard.
Jennifer Elliot, who rented a flat in Cheltenham to Gareth Williams while he worked at GCHQ, said she and her husband heard him shouting for help one night at 1.30am about three years ago.
When the couple went into the flat, they were shocked to find him in boxer shorts on his back on the bed "with both hands tied with material attached to the headboard".
**"He said: 'I just wanted to see if I could get myself free,'" she said in a statement read to the court. "He was very embarrassed and panicky and apologising."
**

funny this didn't come out at the time. obvious distraction story is obvious.

#conspiracythread

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i'd have just pushed him out the window.

But seriously, why bother putting him in a holdall at all?

If you killed him somewhere else it would make getting him back to his flat easier. Also means easier to clean away any pesky evidence like DNA if you do the deed somewhere else and just walk into the apartment and drop him of.

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(I am not a spook)

didn't they see him walking to his apartment?

also a human body isn't what i'd call light, its called dead weight for a reason

do us all a favour Norway ... blah blah blah .. time to HTFU

What a pathetic internet tough guy you are.
You can see no other reasons for the trial than lack of "hardness"?

Funny hows there's been so little coverage on this
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And the fact that Japan isn't allowing foreign engineers to come in and help is rather unsettling. TEPCO has been playing the "its cool bro we got this" card for a little too long now.
Struggled to find anything substantial on the validity of these claims.

Not really read anything except the gruniad article, but:

didn't they see him walking to his apartment?
according to the article he was last seen shopping 8 days before his body was discovered and also they described the body as badly rotten (or something like that)

also a human body isn't what i'd call light, its called dead weight for a reason
in the same article he was described as 'slight'.

I'm not saying it would be easy, but in my opinion it's more likely that he died somewhere else and then was dumped rather than he climbed into a hold all in his bath, locked him self in it and then sat there to die.

Slight is still heavy, and a dead person is fucking awkward to move, as anyone who has tried to move an unconscious person will tell you.

I don't deny that there was probably some one else there, just that i fail to see the reasoning behind a 'professional' killer/spy bumping him off then going to all that effort of putting him in a hold all. I also thought they had CCTV footage of him leaving kilburn station on the night of his death, but i may be wrong.

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also a human body isn't what i'd call light, its called dead weight for a reason

sounds like you've experienced " dead weight "

just out of curiosity where were you on the night of the 1st August 2010 ?

No - Most likely he was killed in some weird sex-game gone tragically wrong.

Spy? He was admin assistant.

So basically he was a bit weird (not uncommon with high intelligence) and liked to restrict himself as proven in previous escapades. The moment 'spy' gets mentioned everyone starts a novel. The truth is a lot more boring it seems.

imagine how fucked off he must have been when he realised the padlock wouldn't undo

DOH !

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imagine how fucked off he must have been when he realised the padlock wouldn't undo

Professional codebreaker defeated by padlock. Must have been agonising.