London Bike Polo League

The only sensible way to decide it is throw it to a vote as there's conflicting opinions all over the place.

like it should have been in the first place.

the problem i have with it, is that it encourages one team to not try and find a way to play the match (i'm not saying this was the case with you NS). Why should they, if they are getting the full 3 points and the 15 - 0 goal difference.

At least if the goal difference stays at 0 - 0, it might encourage teams to try that little bit harder to re-arange and play the match so they can get there goal difference up.

like i said, i'm not saying this was the case with NS.

Its hard for moving targets to defend themselves.
It's hard for them to turn up too.

If I was in the Moving Targets and have just found out that I have not only been awarded -1 point but also got deducted 5 goals, I would not be wanting to play again at all! Decisions like this should not be made on this forum.

So we can do a 3 points, not goals (-1 point for MT), and organize by GD for now. When NS and MT get together and play, we can retroactively change the table. Is this fair?

i think the game should be postponed and the next draw made. You get 3 points as discussed at the beginning and if the game can be played at the end of the season then, we scratch the three points and see the outcome, but a poll should be fair. I'm not sure i'm understanding the difference between the hockey and footbal scenario and look forward to detailed drawing on the eurobar mark :)
Oh and Bill when it comes to throwing things whether it be prams or anything else at least i can hit the target. That was a scorching rocket unstoppable goal and just because you blind cunts don't see it dosn't mean it aint true. I don't cheat and i don't call goals unless i KNOW, they are goals. Sorry mate, how many did you score last night?

the problem i have with it, is that it encourages one team to not try and find a way to play the match (i'm not saying this was the case with you NS). Why should they, if they are getting the full 3 points and the 15 - 0 goal difference.

At least if the goal difference stays at 0 - 0, it might encourage teams to try that little bit harder to re-arange and play the match so they can get there goal difference up.

like i said, i'm not saying this was the case with NS.

exactly.

Goal difference = Goals Scored - Goals Against

i.e., for BAD, it'd be 30 - 10 = 20 GD.

It's a ratio of overall scoring performance. The problem with this, and if NS are awarded 15 points, the ratio becomes inaccurate (they have 15 extra goals scored, but no reflective goals against - i.e. a GD of 3, rather than -12).

The other option (which is set up now) is to simply rate teams by: (first) points; (second) goals scored; (third) goals against.

If I was in the Moving Targets and have just found out that I have not only been awarded -1 point but also got deducted 5 goals, I would not be wanting to play again at all! Decisions like this should not be made on this forum.

So where should these decisions be made then? pray tell.

It's a ratio of overall scoring performance. The problem with this, and if NS are awarded 15 points, the ratio becomes inaccurate (they have 15 extra goals scored, but no reflective goals against - i.e. a GD of 3, rather than -12).

The other option (which is set up now) is to simply rate teams by: (first) points; (second) goals scored; (third) goals against.

we're the ones who turned up to play here.

the problem i have with it, is that it encourages one team to not try and find a way to play the match
I honestly believe that any team playing these kind of tactics should be ejected from the league. We all signed up wanting to play polo.

Granted, the rules ideally shouldn't be being set during the first season, but we hadn't come to this situation before. I personally couldn't care less if we get 15 goals or not. The basic point is that MT forfeited their games.

It can be argued that if we had won, we would have 15 goals, and also that because it wasn't none were scored. I'm on the fence on this one. Because it was our team that got stood up, I suppose I'd rather have the goals, but had it been another team, then I wouldn't want them to get the goals without doing the graft.

I think you get my point, it's all very subjective.

I vote that mike makes a decision on this.

we're the ones who turned up to play here.

And that's why you would get the three points. GD is only used in case of ties in points.

It seems (to me) unfair that, because of one team not showing up at some point in the season, you maintain an inflated GD ratio (you'll always have those 15 extra points calculated in your GD).

well show up to your games then.

Again, I'm, like Gabes, and on the fence (over the dishing out of points). Don't really care if you get the goals or not. You deserve to be the winners. I just think that if you do get the goals, the method of calculation can't be GD.

well show up to your games then.

Ray, the point is that you gain an advantage over everyone, not just MT. At the end of the season, when there's a three place tie for third, and you guys end up taking it because you had 15 extra goals that throw the stats out of balance, people will be unhappy. Probably even you guys.

I hate football, but as there is no hardcourt polo precedent I've had to look into other sports.
The Fifa08 rules state that "A 2-0 win will be awarded per leg for any fixtures determined to be "no show". A "no show" is at the discretion of the admins, and may include quitting the tournament prematurely."

Ray, the point is that you gain an advantage over everyone, not just MT. At the end of the season, when there's a three place tie for third, and you guys end up taking it because you had 15 extra goals that throw the stats out of balance, people will be unhappy. Probably even you guys.

nope fine... NS ;)

I honestly believe that any team playing these kind of tactics should be ejected from the league. We all signed up wanting to play polo.

i agree completely, i was just saying we want to encourage the two teams to make the game as much as possible, like you say, it's all about the actual playing of polo.

If I was in the Moving Targets and have just found out that I have not only been awarded -1 point but also got deducted 5 goals, I would not be wanting to play again at all! Decisions like this should not be made on this forum.

So where should these decisions be made then? pray tell.

In person? by text? On the London Bike Polo blog?

This forum should not be used to take votes/make decisions on the league. We are excluding people who don't have internet access. I think we take for granted that we have internet access all day at work. I'm pretty sure most of the Moving Targets don't and Jo and Ali on my team don't either. Their votes are as important as any.

On the London Bike Polo blog?

We are excluding people who don't have internet access.
You'd still have the same problems using the LBPL blog.

I'd also recommend that both NS and Moving Target be excluded from voting on this as we are the two teams currenty involved in what is fast becoming a farcical argument over rules.

Not really, before I had internet access all day, I would only have time(/inclination) in the evenings to spend about 20 minutes on the internet. Reading through a days worth of forum banter is different than just checking one blog.

OR the really fair way is that we fuck off the deadlines for the whole league and play MT at a later date...sorted by MT and NS. IMO... id rather do this... but cos of paris/next weeks fixture it may have to be a while a way, if no one minds!

I think that is the best way to resolve it. For the monent take the 3 points and the goals, I don't mind, and when it is possible play MT and change the table.

What is important in here is not the goals or the table, if not the commintment of the teams to play the matches, in my opinion, we should try to play MT in a weekend and safe teh score. what can not happen again is this kind of situattions

please check out this thread. I've put it in private to keep it that way:

http://www.londonfgss.com/thread12231.html#post355730

I still stand by my simple opinion that no goals should be awarded. It was stated at the league meeting at the slaughtered lamb which was announced with time to spare. Unfortunately not every single person could make it. The minutes were posted here and on the blog, which stated a no-show gave +3 to the showing team and -1 to the forfeiting team. Nobody had a problem with that at the time. Goal differences was not a part of that it was added on later. The very fact that there is a -1 given to a forfeit makes that gameless match unique. There is no other way a team can get negative points. So applying the same logic from a normal game isn't necessarily the best way forward.

This is exactly the reason we all decided to just go ahead with what we came up with and sort it out as it goes. I think this is a very important part to the scoring and do want to work out a solution. As to having every single player vote? Not necessary. Every team, yes.