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tax, expenses etc...

i s'pose you do need some of that 50k to keep your moat in good condition.

Cedywedy, with respect what the fuck are you on about... I'm a freelance senior designer / art director and my day rate is £250-£300. If I could have made that as a student I would have been fucking laughing!

Also have you taken into account that being a limited company allows you to be shall we say more efficient with tax?

I think FWIW that £200 to layout a book for someone with limited resources is fine, oh and yes hi-res .tiff files ftw

Guys, chill out, you'll find that I just wanted to help out.
As littlewhitebike said, there are some desperate people out there who will destroy the valuation of the design market. I'm afraid you get what you pay for.
My maths is not off because I spent time calculating this sort of stuff for my own practice and if you want to be serious and legal, that's the kind of numbers you are looking at.
If you run any sort of business or service, you will never take 100% of your takings home.
Now if you're an ltd company, a student or you feel non corporate deserves cheaper rates, that's up to you, but it shouldn't be an auction house should it?
In the end you need to charge the amount it's worth (value based pricing), and if it's 200, then so be it! Take it or leave it.
It think we should leave it as that. It's not really a thread to discuss issues like this, I shouldn't have commented in the first place.

Free pitching and doing design on the cheap for fly by night clients de-values design. Also companies that spend large amounts of their clients money creating bollocks (see Arnell's work for Pepsi) devalues design but even more crucially it's credibility.

This guy just wants a little book made for a little sum. I hope that happens for him. If I had time, I would help out...

Guys, chill out, you'll find that I just wanted to help out.

NO!

Nice one for the offers/rants/info etc. That's why I love this forum! £200 for a days work surely isn't that bad? It's about twice as much as what I earn, cash in hand too... Anyhow I found someone up for the job now.

Great good to hear.

£200/day for something which is not even considered work. Many others have worked far harder for lot less. Blissful expectations.

looking for work in leeds! would like to have bike work, but anything will do rate now.
got experience with the bike shops, done cytech 2 n all that. did both mechanicing and sales.

cheers!

I will do that for £100.

But then I'm a cowboy. Your choice.

No way would I be a cowboy for any less than £6000.

My final offer. Horses cost loads.

£200/day for something which is not even considered work. Many others have worked far harder for lot less. Blissful expectations.

why isn't it work? designing a layout (after interpreting the brief) and producing artwork is not something that just anyone can do.
if that's not the case why don't you do it? or are you paid even more for doing even less?

£200/day for something which is not even considered work. Many others have worked far harder for lot less. Blissful expectations.

Luckily most graphic designers and clients do consider this work. I don't know if you got the memo, but since the industrial revolution manual labour is not the only way to make a living.

Horses cost loads.

They end up paying for themselves in the end

I think its funny how much money "graphic designers" command nowadays (£200 + day rate in some cases) for people who have little more invested in their craft than an honours degree (at a push), a laptop and some pirated software. TBH I'm not knocking the individuals (I used to be a flash developer), this is more my style - http://www.core77.com/blog/events/curiosity_club_qa_with_katy_meegan_18701.asp

Mate, £200 it's a going rate in other industries where no degree is necessary (like AV, exhibitions, basic IT support - you learn on the job).
Fucking plumber chargers £45 to look at your pipework and to say he'll be back tomorrow with a part he broke 5 mins earlier.

<----doesn't even make £200 a week.

buy more art, people.

Do your degree!

Oh dear... what have I done.

Do your degree!

or make better art that people want to buy, a degree isn't needed for that.
if you want paying then art is a commodity just like all the other goods in the capitalist system.

or make better art that people want to buy, a degree isn't needed for that.
if you want paying then art is a commodity just like all the other goods in the capitalist system.

Agreed, But when was the last time you or someone you know bought an *original *piece of artwork? Art's a luxury that is low on most people's priorities, so there is not really a market for it at a low level.

So become a contemporary artist,, live off art's council grants, and never have to suffer making art the proles would be interested in...

and never have to suffer making art the poles would be interested in...

rascist

I didn't know the graphic design world operated on a Guild basis. I've learned something. Indeed, my trade - journalism - could do with that approach, as basically any 'nice' journalism job is now unpaid.

The backbone of most national newspapers (ahem The Independent, The Guardian) is now unpaid interns and low-paid workers on short contracts.

"That's not even a day-rate for a complete beginner/student."

In the mainstream journalism business, the day-rate for a complete beginner is NEGATIVE. (Which is why only people with money go into sought-after journalism jobs nowadays. Which - abittapolitiks - helps explain why national newspapers are so sh*t)

hi all

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/russ

I didn't know the graphic design world operated on a Guild basis. I've learned something. Indeed, my trade - journalism - could do with that approach, as basically any 'nice' journalism job is now unpaid.

The backbone of most national newspapers (ahem The Independent, The Guardian) is now unpaid interns and low-paid workers on short contracts.

In the mainstream journalism business, the day-rate for a complete beginner is NEGATIVE. (Which is why only people with money go into sought-after journalism jobs nowadays. Which - abittapolitiks - helps explain why national newspapers are so sh*t)

I think that's largely true. I was lucky enough to get funded through my NCE by a paper. Otherwise I could never be working on a newspaper now.