Lance Armstrong returning to the Tour next year

In response to the previous postings about Astana, man, I was SO gutted about Vinokourov in 2007, but surely Astana came down hard on him and immediately voluntarily withdrew the entire team etc...

... not much blame can be assigned to the team, surely?

You cannot blood dope without assistance from experienced medical professionals so the management of the Astana team must have been complicit in Vinokourov's (and his other team mates) cheating. The management didn't withdraw the team, nor did they apologise to ASO in any way, shape or form for the disgrace they brought to the Tour. That's why they were excluded this year.

So what techniques did Ferrari use that weren't detectable then?

Now that would be telling. And I might be kicked off of my Cat 4 ranking should I let the secret slip.

So what techniques did Ferrari use that weren't detectable then?

If he knew that then they wouldn't be undetectable would they?
;-)

can use your own blood for blood doping and keep the heamatocrit below 50. use testosterone patches on scrotum for short time 1-2hr post race and remove, so drops to normal by morning. numerous masking agents.

So what techniques did Ferrari use that weren't detectable then?

Blood transfusions and microdosing of EPO.

Until recently the dopers were able to outwit the testers hence why only the stupid ever actually failed a drugs test. Most were caught via police investigations into the trafficking of black market drugs, i.e. Operacion Puerto, which caught Basso, Ullrich et al, or the *Oil for Drugs *affair in Italy that caught Di Luca.

Again, it's funny that you can solve the case and come up with the guilty verdict when no other organisation* could.

Maybe I'm in dreamland though (not being sarcastic!)

• I realise the irony of that word in relation to the IOC, WADA etc!
  

If LeMonde came back... that would be awesome! Lets page him.

Dogsballs you may be right but i hope you're not, he may be an arrogant American shit and may not have entered everything like Merkx but he gave it everything he had and though entering the tour when you're 37 may be ridiculous its certainly going to be worth watching next year, si?

Again, it's funny that you can solve the case and come up with the guilty verdict when no other organisation* could.

Maybe I'm in dreamland though (not being sarcastic!)

• I realise the irony of that word in relation to the IOC, WADA etc!
  

There is a major conflict of interest in allowing the governing body of a sport also to have responsibility for the anti-doping policies of that sport. In cycling's case during the 1990s and early part of this decade the UCI were either incredibly naive or, more likely, turned a blind eye to the doping arms race that was going on in cycling. Witness their 'health check' which allowed riders to dope up to the aribitary 50% hematocrit level without fear of punishment. Armstrong took full benefit of this, even going as far as to donate money to their anti-doping fight, allegedly a bribe to pay for the post dating of a TUE exemption to allow him to use cortocoids after he'd tested positive for them.

Armstrong took full benefit of this, even going as far as to donate money to their anti-doping fight, allegedly a bribe to pay for the post dating of a TUE exemption to allow him to use cortocoids after he'd tested positive for them.
this is what i'm curious about, as mentioned earlier. you can't perform at that level with only one testicle and half the normal levels of testosterone!!

If you had three testicles and a corresponding level of testosterone would that be illlegal?

If you had three testicles and a corresponding level of testosterone would that be illlegal?

You are the famous Russian Hughdidu Nickabollockov and I claim my £5.

Dogsballs you may be right but i hope you're not, he may be an arrogant American shit and may not have entered everything like Merkx but he gave it everything he had and though entering the tour when you're 37 may be ridiculous its certainly going to be worth watching next year, si?

i am far* less* interested in watching a tour featuring lance armstrong. unless he crashes off the side of a pyrenean descent and explodes in a fireball.

that would be sweet.

can use your own blood for blood doping and keep the heamatocrit below 50. use testosterone patches on scrotum for short time 1-2hr post race and remove, so drops to normal by morning. numerous masking agents.

I thought they already had a method of autologous blood doping but apparently not.. but they are working on it and its introduction will be kept secret, much like the EPOv3 tests I guess..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_doping#Detection_of_blood_doping

this is where the skill of a trained doctor comes into help

Cults lead to suicide pacts

4candles, isnt that from a classic two ronnies sketch in a hardware store...

there you go sir, four candles.

no i said fork handles.

From the man himself

Because he used banned drugs to rehabilitate himself from his illness, you know all credit to the bloke for getting the better of cancer. But i feel after all that he had no place in the pro peloton because of what he used to get better... when you consider that other riders have had their asses kicked for high caffeine levels, had their careers ruined and even comitted suicide because of the media pressure.

Because people are so blinkered into beliveing that the TdF is the only race on the planet and have hyped him up into somthing he isn't... his career pails into insignificance when compared to Eddy M..... and he can't ride vertical like Alva.

lol.
4C.

the drugs he used just happened to be illegal. It's called EPO which promotes red blood cell production.
It's necessary to take during and following chemotherapy to increase/sustain the blood count since chemotherapy dramatically reduces the amount of red blood cells produced and kills them off too.
Since Armstrong received a barbaric amount of chemotherapy, his blood count i suspect was deadly low, hence why he had to take it.

i think it was admitted to the cycling authorities by his doctors and manager as he had no choice but to take it for health reasons, not sporting advantage.

the drugs he used just happened to be illegal. It's called EPO which promotes red blood cell production.
It's necessary to take during and following chemotherapy to increase/sustain the blood count since chemotherapy dramatically reduces the amount of red blood cells produced and kills them off too.
Since Armstrong received a barbaric amount of chemotherapy, his blood count i suspect was deadly low, hence why he had to take it.

i think it was admitted to the cycling authorities by his doctors and manager as he had no choice but to take it for health reasons, not sporting advantage.

Balls.. there goes my cover for the HH track day ..oh no pun intended!

Hey I like the guy but isn't that cheating not sticking to the course and going a shorter distance than everyone else.

Hey I like the guy but isn't that cheating not sticking to the course and going a shorter distance than everyone else.

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seriously though. if he has only one nut, he will technically only have 1/2 the normal testosterone levels. where does the rest of his testosterone come from?!?

Didn't he have both his nuts removed hence the need to bottle some jizz and freeze it?

Can't be arsed to google Lance's bollox.

suicide pacts lead to emo music