Epic fail

They need to get some Vestax in there ;^)

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classic

I sometimes smoke funny fags in the street, if I get caught I will get a fine and a caution. I sometimes exceed the speed limit on an open road, I might get points on my licence.

I used to want to inflict harm on people who have done me a wrong'un in the past but I wont because the thought of having my liberty removed and having to spend my days in fear at Her Majesty's pleasure frightens the shit out of me.

The escalating severity of punishment keeps me on the straight and narrow.

My point better made.

I've never gone that far.
I was simply too scared of my dad. I hated that he was so strict and now I'm grateful.

I sometimes smoke funny fags in the street, if I get caught I will get a fine and a caution. I sometimes exceed the speed limit on an open road, I might get points on my licence.

I used to want to inflict harm on people who have done me a wrong'un in the past but I wont because the thought of having my liberty removed and having to spend my days in fear at Her Majesty's pleasure frightens the shit out of me.

The escalating severity of punishment keeps me on the straight and narrow.

Interesting as far as it goes, but in danger of making a classic mistake. If you don't nick bikes, asking yourself 'what would it take to deter me from nicking bikes?' is pretty irrelevant. Try asking people who actually do nick bikes what it would take to stop them.

Interesting as far as it goes, but in danger of making a classic mistake. If you don't nick bikes, asking yourself 'what would it take to deter me from nicking bikes?' is pretty irrelevant. Try asking people who actually do nick bikes what it would take to stop them.

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The escalating severity of punishment keeps me on the straight and narrow.

So you're telling me, if you couldn't get caught you would commit any crime you could get way with?

Interesting as far as it goes, but in danger of making a classic mistake. If you don't nick bikes, asking yourself 'what would it take to deter me from nicking bikes?' is pretty irrelevant. Try asking people who actually do nick bikes what it would take to stop them.

I don't nick bikes but i have nicked other things in the past and "will i get caught" was always in my mind.
You might not directly think "if i get caught, il get such and such a fine and so many hours of community service" or whatever but you think about getting caught.
You weigh up the danger of getting caught with how much you want what your stealing and the penalty if you do get caught factors into that decision.

Another way to look at it,
Lots of people help themselves to the odd grape or pick n mix sweet in the supermarket. That's theft but you aren't likely to be challenged and if you are you'll get a telling off.
A few people help themselves to packets of crisps, cans of juice etc as they do their shopping and leave the empty packaging on the shelf before they head to the checkout.
That's theft and in the unlikely case that you get caught you might be asked to pay for the items or even asked to leave the shop.
Very few people (in relation to the number of people who help themselves to grapes) choose to stick a few bottles of malt whiskey in their rucksack and leave without paying for them.
That's theft and if you get caught you're likely to be handed over to the police and prosecuted for it.

If the escalation of punishment for these theft's had no effect on people then all those that help themselves to grapes wouldn't think twice about helping themselves to bottles of whiskey.
Or TVs.
Or bikes.

So you're telling me, if you couldn't get caught you would commit any crime you could get way with?

If i couldn't get caught i'd not be bothering to nick your bike, id be walking into the biggest bank i could find with bloody great shotgun and an empty suitcase.

If i couldn't get caught i'd not be bothering to nick your bike, id be walking into the biggest bank i could find with bloody great shotgun and an empty suitcase.

Point proven. Or as my elderly mother would say - exactly.

Interesting as far as it goes, but in danger of making a classic mistake. If you don't nick bikes, asking yourself 'what would it take to deter me from nicking bikes?' is pretty irrelevant. Try asking people who actually do nick bikes what it would take to stop them.

I think our current government's way is to give everyone a job and to increase the flow and availability of credit, the idea being that young people will have less 'need' to steal or commit crime. Tough on the causes of crime, if you will. Also encourage kids to stay on in school after 16 and open up universities so more people can go. This works to an extent, but i don't know how sustainable model this, given the increase in crime since 2007, when the crunch hit.

You might not directly think "if i get caught, il get such and such a fine and so many hours of community service" or whatever but you think about getting caught(...)

I'm kinda connected through my british side of family to few people who were directly or indirectly involved in violence, drugs, theft, gangs etc. and now are reformed and do their bit for community working with yoofs and providing counselling service to addicts.
If your main motive is sustaining the substance abuse you don't care about the means, you don't care about the consequences. You go back to jail for the twentieth time and if you didn't go through a rehab you will be back for more.

Now, if you commit crime to sustain your life style, like easy money and violence, you do think about the consequences. You also learn very quickly which crime pays more ie. what's the sentence/money gain ratio. You know how to harass people and get away with a slap on the wrist. You also learn very quickly, that in the UK you can talk badly to the policemen and even push them around (especially when you are of young age)... And that you can actually sue the force for assault for the rough arrest. Now, try to run your mouth on a policeman on the continent.

Smallfurry's comment was an epic fail

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Joe, you're probably unaware of Graham's love of Vestax, there's whole threads devoted to it on here.....

Doing the circle line ride on my own tonight.

But he meant Numarks, didn't he?

I don't nick bikes but i have nicked other things in the past and "will i get caught" was always in my mind.
You might not directly think "if i get caught, il get such and such a fine and so many hours of community service" or whatever but you think about getting caught.
You weigh up the danger of getting caught with how much you want what your stealing and the penalty if you do get caught factors into that decision.
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If the escalation of punishment for these theft's had no effect on people then all those that help themselves to grapes wouldn't think twice about helping themselves to bottles of whiskey.
Or TVs.
Or bikes.

Yes, fear of the criminal penalties is what stops some people from stealing, and yes, harsher penalties would stop a few more but that's still only some people. Others work in many different ways.

Fear of a sense of guilt stops me from stealing grapes even if i know i won't get caught (most of the time anyway). That gets backed up with fear of loss of respect from others, as well as fear of the potential punishments. I have hopes for my future, and value my current status.

If your main motive is sustaining the substance abuse you don't care about the means, you don't care about the consequences. You go back to jail for the twentieth time and if you didn't go through a rehab you will be back for more.

If you don't value yourself or your future, even the harshest of punishments won't deter you. Some might justify punishing such people as 'getting rid of vermin', but to others, this is 'pointless cruelty to people who might have been reached in other ways'.

You can crank up the punishments as far as you like and there will still be some people you will never reach. At the same time you will be destroying people who could have reformed, and if the system is too cruel then people will hate it ever more, and those who live by principles will start to fight it and try to undermine it.

Punishment and its deterrent effect will always be needed, will never be a complete solution, and work best when the level of punishment is fair and proportionate.

Punishment levels are (very roughly) right already. Only small improvements will come from tweaking them. Much more can be gained by giving everyone a real stake in our common future; we could do a lot more of that and it would be almost all to the good.

I.e IMO the only way to deter people is to take away a privilage they care about. A super breif synopsis I know.

But what I really want to know is how the epic fail thread came to this

But what I really want to know is how the epic fail thread came to this

Epic fail to stay on subject, I'd say.

Oh, the ironing!

Saffa fail...

YouTube- Die Antwoord - Zef Side (Official)

YouTube- Die Antwoord - Enter The Ninja (Official)

Zef side is strangely mesmerising, the rest of their crap, is crap.

Saffa.

Fail.
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Fixed.

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