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  • One of the deaths last week was a lady who's previous mountaineering experience was the hikes up Elbrus and Kilimanjaro. Unless the press have got it wrong, it's insane that she was accepted on a guided climb of Everest. Utterly bonkers. I think it's probably time for the Everest Package Holiday to be a thing of the past.

  • Another internet opportunity to pitch my Mt. Everest zombie movie.
    Since it is almost impossible to carry a dead person down the mountain there is currently a considerable number of frozen alpha males up there*. My movie starts with a group of these muppets aspiring to climb the mountain, but soon shifts to a group of Western hippie types elsewhere in the Himalayas, white kids with dreadlocks basically. The hippies start doing some supposedly healing shamanistic rituals, but these rituals backfire and instead the frozen climbers on the mountain come to life as zombies. Unlike other zombie movies, these creatures can still speak a little, stuttering inane phrases of motivational jargon as they stagger down the mountain and engulf the various basecamps.

    *' Link to some very grotty pictures. Don't click on it with kids around etc.

  • That link is utterly grim.

  • Sounds quite J. G. Ballard

  • Apologies for my ignorance, but, do you mean that this lady was unfit for the climb? I’m presuming a hike is not mountaineering?

  • Yes. If what the Guardian wrote about her a few days ago is true, then she had no business to be on that mountain. Kili and Elbrus are long walks over a period of days in challenging altitude conditions .

    To be fair, they did say that she was also an accomplished marathon runner who had been conditioning herself for Everest for six years. Just seemed very odd that they chose two walks to explain her mountaineering experience.

    Possible it was a journalistic error, but stood out to me as weird.

    If you have enough money, they'll take pretty much anybody up Everest.

  • I don't intend to sound like a dick about it. To a certain degree anybody should be able to anything with their life. The problem for me is that by having a lot of people on Everest without the experience to climb it relatively safely, a lot of people are put at risk.

    It's a money business now and Sherpas, who are treated like shit by their employers, lose their lives with inexperienced clients and the weak climbers make it more dangerous for the stronger climbers.

    If they kept summit permit numbers capped to a safe number each season, I would be less arsey about inexperienced people wanting to have a crack.

  • Is there still a 1 in 4 chance of dying when attempting to climb Everest, or has that statistic improved?

  • Much safer now days. Better oxygen equipment and weather forecasting being main reasons.

    "The Nepal Ministry of Tourism reported on 16 August 2018 that a total of 563 people summited during the spring of 2018 made up of 302 High Altitude Workers (aka Sherpas) and 261 foreigners (aka members) using the standard Southeast Ridge route in Nepal."

    The official death count for 2018 was 6.

    Edit; for some reason, the BBC report 807 people summiting in 2018. Wonder why the discrepancy?

  • Thanks for that. I know nothing about mountaineering etc.

  • You're welcome. Worth mentioning that Nepal charge $11,000 for a permit to attempt the climb. I.e $6m income from 2018.

  • Originally titled Great Society Conflict Veteran's Blues. Brutal opening line...

  • https://twitter.com/shriyask?lang=en

    She reached the summit in 2012 and became the landmark corpse in your link. The Canadian flag. It turned out she'd had very limited climbing experience and had previously been hospitalised after going on hunger strike for lower motor insurance premiums. A disgraceful documentary/hagiography about her tried to blame the sherpas for what happened.

  • My daughter's Sepelling Bee award from her school


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  • I remember reading quite a lot about her at the time. I was left with the impression that the tour operator was largely to blame as they had instilled false confidence in her. Apparently she had been fairly honest about having an average level of fitness and they had told her she would be fine as long as she walked stairs a lot.

    On the same topic I also found a weird article in the Daily Mail where a BRITISH HERO! had walked past her dying on the way down, realised that the lady was dying but basically just walked on because that's what you do when you're a high achieving go getter.

    On the same topic, I just found this quote from the same Brit in an Australian paper:
    " ... "There was another man who was almost dead," said Ms Shuttleworth. "He was sitting attached to an anchor and he was rocking and I just thought it was a dead body rocking in the wind, but as we passed he raised his arm and looked at us. He didn't know anyone was there. He was almost dead. He was dead when we came back down. ..."

  • I can't comprehend how anyone can enjoy or celebrate climbing Everest given what it has become.

  • On the same topic I also found a weird quote in story in the Daily Mail where a BRITISH HERO! had walked past her dying on the way down, realised that the lady was dying but basically just walked on because that's what you do when you're a high achieving go getter.

    To be fair, it's what you do if you don't want to commit suicide by stopping to try to help.

  • "The Nepal Ministry of Tourism reported on 16 August 2018 that a total of 563 people summited during the spring of 2018

    Edit; for some reason, the BBC report 807 people summiting in 2018. Wonder why the discrepancy?

    Are there two summit seasons during the year?

  • Ten dead this week already .

  • OK, I'll stop ranting for now, but you can search for "Rainbow Valley Mount Everest" if you want more grimness.

  • Vast majority climb in spring, most avoid summer due to monsoon snows and wind. Only a handful of nutters climb in winter.

  • Ms Shuttleworth had to squeeze past two dead people and cut one dead bloke off the mountain to get past. She was 19 and climbing with her dad:

    https://thuppahi.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/heights-of-madness-on-mount-everest/

    Becky Bellworthy, 20, another Briton, described her terror as she
    tried to descend against the flow.

    ‘‘There was a single rope attached to the mountain and you have to
    pass people on ridges that are only wide enough for one set of feet,
    and you are literally climbing over other people to get back down
    again,’’ she said.

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