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update on the lo pro

got the frame back from armourtex today.
all i need to get is a headset, valve extender for the shamal and a chain so hopefully i can finish it tomorrow

looks like my cup of tea, but thats not my table.

the biscuit i know nothing about.

i swear.

and the plot moistens

I´m about to (?)swap(?) my Lo-pro for this.
But i´m intrigued, normally CONCORDE frames were built by CIOCC, according to
the (few) information I could get hold of, and this cut-out on the lugs matches the CIOCC
usual lugs. But my mate´s CONCORDE has lugs just like DE ROSA´s ones!?
Anyone has any info about what´s the real deal behind Dutch Concorde?
the bb has this SN number 7462. anyone!?

got some updated pics about the frame... still, I need to understand why does
a (apparently) CIOCC made frame use Shimano track drop-outs!?
PLEASE advise!?

got some updated pics about the frame... still, I need to understand why does
a (apparently) CIOCC made frame use Shimano track drop-outs!?
PLEASE advise!?

photoshop?

Well i had to struggle really hard to come up with a way around that complex problem of removing 750g from one side...it took a long time, but eventually i realised "hey, why don't i drink from each bottle equally"....damn i'm smart sometimes!

As for reaching down with my crippled back, alone, in the dark, naked (you did say that right?)...oh, and wretched...i just leaned the extra 3" further forward than where the gear levers sit on one of those oh so fashionable roadie gearie bikes, and PRESTO!

Did you do any steep climbs with the bottles full?

I'd imagine the extra weight would make the front end feel more seated, but then its only 1.5 Kgs, so maybe I'm talking poo.

got some updated pics about the frame... still, I need to understand why does
a (apparently) CIOCC made frame use Shimano track drop-outs!?
PLEASE advise!?

The early "Concorde" frames were made by the same company that made Ciocc frames, that's right!
The later frames can be from anywhere...

The frame you pictured here: I doubt if that is a Concorde.
I think it should have Italian BB-set. Can you check that? What kind of marking is on the cups?
The lugs, fork crown, dropouts don't look like an (Italy made) Concorde.
I think of a resprayed frame, but no idea who made it.

The first Concorde frames had lugs with a "C" and that bird (condor?) in it.
There were also (later?) Concorde frames with a heart shape cutout in the lugs (refer to De Rosa).

Concorde is the label of a Dutch company named Rentmeester or Veltec.
To them, the origin of the frame is not the most important.
They also do/did a lot of respray.
Again, this could be anything.

Picked up new frame today (same as the old I had but with the right height)
Wheels will stay but most of the stuff comes from an old bike.
Deda dropbars will replace the bullhorns.
Stearingtube will be shortend.
Other saddle.
Carbon seatpost.
Maybe a carbon frontwheel.

pukes on breakfast

pukes on breakfast

I think you need to go to the Doctor I think your pregnent you are been sick a lot latley.LOL

Did you do any steep climbs with the bottles full?

I'd imagine the extra weight would make the front end feel more seated, but then its only 1.5 Kgs, so maybe I'm talking poo.

I didn't even notice they were there regarding handling...i certainly passed enough people on climbs so i don't think they were slowing me down. :)

I'm really quite puzzled as to why people seem to think that having bottles mounted on the forks is going to make anywhere near as much difference to handling or aerodynamics as panniers mounted on the forks, or a top mount bag on the front rack, or a handlebar bag. etc...i didn't even notice them...they were far easier to access than saddle mounted bottles...even a seat tube mounted bottle is more awkward to get to when your legs are constantly spinning due to riding fixed.....i simply had to lean forward and slightly down and there they were. Perfect. :)

I've been noticing quite a few setups with fork mounted bottles lately...makes perfect sense to me...use whatever space you have as wisely as possible.

I didn't even notice they were there regarding handling...i certainly passed enough people on climbs so i don't think they were slowing me down. :)

I was actually thinking the opposite (that they would speed you up).

Interested because....

A) I have a utility bike (based on CycloX frame) with massive rear panniers, and find long climbs annoying because i have to lean forward more than I'd like. To better seat the front wheel. I was curious to the effect of 1.5 Kg or so on the front, as I may invest in some front panniers, simply to better balance the weight.

B) I'm putting together a 29er with a bloody light carbon fork, and again am carefully considering front end lift on technical climbs. I have chosen a frame with relatively long chainstays to compensate, so it works in my head (ahem). TBH I was amazed at the number of big name manufacturers making 29er frames with uber short chain stays, so they could market them as *'handling like a 26er'. *

For the record, I love the bottles on the forks thing. Looks brute.

@ smallfury:

got to trim up the forks now.

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It makes sense to use lowriders and a front rack for heavy stuff and use rear panniers for light items (as advised by Gilles Berthoud).

I was actually thinking the opposite (that they would speed you up).

Interested because....

A) I have a utility bike (based on CycloX frame) with massive rear panniers, and find long climbs annoying because i have to lean forward more than I'd like. To better seat the front wheel. I was curious to the effect of 1.5 Kg or so on the front, as I may invest in some front panniers, simply to better balance the weight.

B) I'm putting together a 29er with a bloody light carbon fork, and again am carefully considering front end lift on technical climbs. I have chosen a frame with relatively long chainstays to compensate, so it works in my head (ahem). TBH I was amazed at the number of big name manufacturers making 29er frames with uber short chain stays, so they could market them as *'handling like a 26er'. *

a) Most people seem to prefer smaller front and rear pannier combo to get a better balance for touring for this exact reason. The more balanced the bike is the better really.

b) I wouldn't worry about it so much on a mountain bike, my 29er (Scandal) has long chainstays and light carbon fork and climbs wonderfully well. The bikes with short rear ends (Karate Monkey springs to mind) also climb very well, but like most moutain bike riding it requires a bit more body input to get the balance right. Short chain stays seem to be a West Coast thing, trying to deal with very twisty trails, but I don't think I've read anyone claiming to make a 29er handle like a 26" bike.

Longer chainstays also make perfect sense on a fixed off roader, as you sit down more on a fixed, so if the wheel is tucked further under your arse you get kicked in it more often...if the wheel sits a little further back it makes a noticable difference to comfort.

Well i had to struggle really hard to come up with a way around that complex problem of removing 750g from one side...it took a long time, but eventually i realised "hey, why don't i drink from each bottle equally"....damn i'm smart sometimes!

I meant when you removed the bottle to drink from it you numpty!

but it doesn't matter

I think you need to go to the Doctor I think your pregnent you are been sick a lot latley.LOL

Mainly cos of you putting up your moody bikes ;-)

Lolo, JDB, Scott.

Cheers folks. I'll have a look at front panniers, and sleep a bit easier while waiting for my 29er frame to arrive.

BTW I have threaded holes half way down my bontrager cyclocross (or hybrid maybe?) forks. It seems obvious that these would be for mounting a front pannier rack. Just seems a bit weird finding them on a pair of cyclocross forks (although there are also mudguard eyelets). Are the leg lengths of front pannier racks made to some kind of standard?

I don't think I've read anyone claiming to make a 29er handle like a 26" bike.

Thought I read someone saying that about the Origin 8 scout 29er.

I meant when you removed the bottle to drink from it you numpty!

but it doesn't matter

hehe....ok...i see what you mean now. :)

no, still no funny handling...the cane creek bar ends make the bike handle so well to be honest...because your hands point in the same direction as when you're on brake hoods, but the weight is central over the bar due to the bar end extending backwards a bit too, it seems to have a really sturdy feel to the steering.

Thought I read someone saying that about the Origin 8 scout 29er.

Look at this forums, people do post all sorts of bollocks on the internet these days....

In some ways its right though, shorther chain stays to make shorther wheel base will help with turing in tight switch backs, and also help make the front end easier to lift, so I suppose this does make it a bit more like a 26" bike. I sounds more like someone trying to address some of the issues the anti 29er crowd seem to think exist with proper sized bikes. With a nice carbon fork you should have 0 problems getting the front of the bike off the ground when you need to, and with 29er tryres and long chain stays you will be amazed by how much rear end grip you have when climbing.

with 29er tryres and long chain stays you will be amazed by how much rear end grip you have when climbing.

Amen to that!

And yeah, most of the "our 29er rides like a regular 26" bike" claims were just to gain acceptance in the early days when 29ers were struggling to win people over.
I'd take a 29er over a 26 any day though.

pukes on breakfast

i would make this look better, some wanky stickers, and maybe a 4 spoke carbon front wheel.....