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Let's not go there eh?
huh?
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I'm glad I was born in England, and there are some extremely good things in the world that have come out of England (like anywhere).
But I was born here through pure chance, just 1 of 60 billion who could've been born anywhere on the planet, so pride to me seems very irrelevant.
I'm not proud to be English. But I'm very lucky and glad to be English - and St. Georges Day is a good way to celebrate that. Even though I'm too busy to do anything today...i agree with the way you think about feeling lucky and glad to be english cause everybodies different....in a way, the issue is about freedom to celebrate, i dont expect every englishman to celebrate it, but to have the option to nationally celebrate it is the thing that is the main issue to me........
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huh?
"Watch Free Horror Online" heh. What you watching?
Also this of friends facebook:
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"St George in My heart keep me English, with St George in my heart we pray, with st george in my heart keep me English, keep me English till the day i die... HAPPY ST GEORGES DAY EVERYONE!!*"I dunno. Bloody BNP ruining it for everyone.
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Music, Fashion and art are all pretty strong
A great number of migrants feel brittish and we adopt their culture, there are pockets where migrants close their communities and the poor placement aids this close door approach and increases resentment but it's the same in the US. their are pockets in the US who wear their cultural diversity as a badge, as there are in England. they also have the KKK and we the BNP..
We have adopted other nations food, culture and music - it's that that makes us english not flag waving martin parr esque displays of nationalism
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I'm broke, but I still would not drink a pint of John Smith's in a Yates.
still barred from that mentalist night on WKD Tommy?
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huh?
It might not be your intention, but trotting out the 'political correctness' argument instantly makes me switch off. I'm sure you've got plenty of interesting stuff to say, but it's such a weak argument and it's never really stood up to closer scrutiny - normally a person brings it up, a few people nod their heads, hmm-ing in quiet, murmured agreement, without actually considering the implications of their actions.
It always reminds me of that Stewart Lee clip on YouTube (paraphrasing):
"They say I can't write racial abuse in excrement on my Pakistani neighbour's car; it's political correctness gone mad it is."
I answer people who use that line with a question - 'so what exactly is it this 'political correctness' nonsense stopping you from doing or saying?'
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still barred from that mentalist night on WKD Tommy?
Yeah my mates and I all in dressed Ben Sherman shirts and slip on shoes where just too wild that night.
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It might not be your intention, but trotting out the 'political correctness' argument instantly makes me switch off. I'm sure you've got plenty of interesting stuff to say, but it's such a weak argument and it's never really stood up to closer scrutiny - normally a person brings it up, a few people nod their heads, hmm-ing in quiet, murmured agreement, without actually considering the implications of their actions.
It always reminds me of that Stewart Lee clip on YouTube (paraphrasing):
"They say I can't write racial abuse in excrement on my Pakistani neighbour's car; it's political correctness gone mad it is."
I answer people who use that line with a question - 'so what exactly is it this 'political correctness' nonsense stopping you from doing or saying?'
i actually beleive pollitical correctness has warped the meaning of racism to many people and is often confused with prejudice or stereotyping thus creating a barrier in society. There are many incidents i observe in day to day life where people have said to others 'You cant say that!!!' when merely it was an observation of things going on around and not a remark about colour or creed. That is what i believe is stopping people from saying things, i have a few asian friends and mixed race friends who all say the same thing when this topic has been brought up where theyve experienced others being shy about calling them asian or black because there is such uproar and tension around envoking these 'jittery mannerisms', im sure there are many people who have had similar experiences of mis-interpretating written or spoken conversations concerning stuff and have been scrutinised because the person who has taken offense doesnt really know what the word racism means any more......
this is my view though...... i'm not a racist person at all and have many different friends from korean to nigerian but i must say i am quite open to talk about the things we of a nation are afraid to do as a collective and this is what is preventing us from getting along.....as BT once said 'Its good to talk' :)
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i actually beleive pollitical correctness has warped the meaning of racism to many people and is often confused with prejudice or stereotyping thus creating a barrier in society. There are many incidents i observe in day to day life where people have said to others 'You cant say that!!!' when merely it was an observation of things going on around and not a remark about colour or creed. That is what i believe is stopping people from saying things, i have a few asian friends and mixed race friends who all say the same thing when this topic has been brought up where theyve experienced others being shy about calling them asian or black because there is such uproar and tension around envoking these 'jittery mannerisms', im sure there are many people who have had similar experiences of mis-interpretating written or spoken conversations concerning stuff and have been scrutinised because the person who has taken offense doesnt really know what the word racism means any more......
this is my view though...... i'm not a racist person at all and have many different friends from korean to nigerian but i must say i am quite open to talk about the things we of a nation are afraid to do as a collective and this is what is preventing us from getting along.....as BT once said 'Its good to talk' :)
I think that's fair enough - a lot of it I agree with, some of it I don't, but there's nothing there really worth getting upset about.
A lot of people know this here, but I'm actually an equality professional. My main aim has always been to get people to talk about equality, and what diversity means for us as communities and as a country as a whole.
The biggest barrier though is to get people talking, and I'm very conscious of the fact that almost everyone who's "anti" will wheel out a story about their friend being arrested for wearing an England shirt, or how the "coloured fella" at number 68 got given his house by the council when poor, hard-working white families have to wait for years - very few of which stand up to scrutiny.
The term 'political correctness' is my kryptonite though - hence my reacting as I did.
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I think that's fair enough - a lot of it I agree with, some of it I don't, but there's nothing there really worth getting upset about.
A lot of people know this here, but I'm actually an equality professional. My main aim has always been to get people to talk about equality, and what diversity means for us as communities and as a country as a whole.
The biggest barrier though is to get people talking, and I'm very conscious of the fact that almost everyone who's "anti" will wheel out a story about their friend being arrested for wearing an England shirt, or how the "coloured fella" at number 68 got given his house by the council when poor, hard-working white families have to wait for years - very few of which stand up to scrutiny.
The term 'political correctness' is my kryptonite though - hence my reacting as I did.
no worries dude, maybe we could continue if we meet some day and discuss said issues over a pint, you seem like a fair enough guy and thats what i love about the forum, anybody who gets upset and discusses things rationally about them are fine by me, sorry to use the kryptonite phrase dude but to me it really does exist.......hope your not offended dude :)
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Have you got a point to make?
EDIT: It's just bloody annoying when people just post something like that with no explanation.
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My St George's Day gesture is to buy a load of Big Macs, the very antithesis of Englishness, and post them to America.
Send the burgers back!
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