Subtle changes, bugs and feedback

Or you could have the name appear as the cusor moved over the image.

But to list the fatalities, and to do so sans-name, and just to give facts... it's horrible and insensitive.

Who said anything about "sans name" and "just facts"?

And you don't think it de-personalises the fatalities? Turns them evermore into anonymous statistics?

Hey, someone you know died, but it's OK, we thought of them... look, they're the fifth ghost bike along. Number 5 in 2012.

It's cold, gives me shivers.

I'd already thought about changing the LFGSS logo to black for a 5 day period after a fatality in memoriam. But to list the fatalities, and to do so sans-name, and just to give facts... it's horrible and insensitive.

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I completely disagree, de-personalising the fatalities is hiding them away in a subforum of general where they're ignored and/or forgotten.

I'm not suggesting that we list out the details as in depth as cycling intelligence or two wheels and beyond but I do think it pertinent to remind each ourselves of the people who have died on our roads.

Hey, someone you know died, but it's OK, we thought of them... look, they're the fifth ghost bike along. Number 5 in 2012.
I would think that it wasn't your intention but this reads as dismissive of actual ghost bikes not just a discussion on a pixel based version.

Who said anything about "sans name" and "just facts"?

That's exactly what it would be below the logo... a count of fatalities, year-to-date, in "kills" style, one ghost bike image per fatality.

That's what was described.

When it's on every page, and isn't in the context of Rider Down, it's de-personalised.

I think changing the logo to black for 5 days is a good thing... a beacon about a fatality that you then go into Rider Down to learn more, and hear about the person involved, giving a space for the family and friends if they want it, whilst alerting those on here who care to use it for lobbying and campaigning, but without making lobbying and campaigning the reason for the thread.

Many people will find themselves wanting to opt out. I've spoken to a load of families and relatives over the years. Who have wanted at times to set the record straight, have help, or mostly just to say thanks for the out-pouring as it helps them cope.

I struggle to think how they might feel about their son/daughter/sister/brother/friend being just one more road death. And I truly fear that if you show a line of ghost bike logos that is what has been created.

This borders on being a bike shed argument, but I'd just ask... who is it for? Why do this? If it's not for the families and friends, then think very carefully and for a long time about what their view is. They may not be here posting, but I would say that their view matters more than ours.

Of course, Rider Down serves more than just family and friends. It helps collate data of incidents, the where and when. It helps inform other cyclists of risks. It helps notify those campaigning. It helps highlight trouble spots.

But whilst it does all of that, it's very obvious in the way that the community keep wild debate and speculation out of those threads (by and large), that the whole community understands deeply that all of those needs come second when you know that the family and friends are likely to be reading it and seeing it.

From that perspective, I cannot think of why we'd add a list of fatalities to the top of every page on the site.

A black ribbon, black logo, some sign of respect... yes. But a list, the idea that it isn't an individual, but it's one of many, an ever increasing count in which the person will soon be forgotten... no.

I would think that it wasn't your intention but this reads as dismissive of actual ghost bikes not just a discussion on a pixel based version.

It's not my intent.

A real ghost bike has personality, a story, a context, tributes. It's a sharp reminder.

An image, repeated X times for X fatalities, on a web site, removed from the where and who... does not.

Instead of virtual ghost bikes, a list of names with hyperlinks to the threads?

I'm all for memories and not forgetting fallen friends and siblings in cycling, but I think the idea is concentrating on the sadness. As a community I feel we should be celebrating the joys of cycling, rather than highlighting the sadness that can happen. I think we do plenty to commemorate and remind ourselves of those who have been injured or sadly passed away with the rider down forum, perhaps an annual memorial ride so we can regularly remember could be organised?

We disagree.
Nothing good will come of arguing the point so I respectfully bow out of this discussion.

polls!

I love the black logo idea. I often forget to check 'Rider down' and it's somewhere I feel I ought to check, and is important to me.

Would it be possiable to have a small link under the logo that take you to the thread with the details, so that people don't have to hunt for the correct thread?

Maybe an 'RIP $RiderName'?

Thanks for thinking this over people.

My ipad and android devices have an annoying habit of "caching" the usercp.php page. I put caching in inverted commas because I think they aren't actaully caching the page and ignoring the "Expires" header; I think the browsers are just maximizing when I click the shortcuts I use, detecting that I'm already on the requested page, and not reloading it.

The text at the top ("You last visited: 2 Hours Ago at 09:52") helps, but checking that every time I fire up the browser is tedious. Perhaps a little bit of javascript that subtly changes the background colour, or puts a tiny little alert triangle next to the text when the page becomes older than a few minutes would work? Or just keeping the page up to date with ajax would be even better. (Although I imagine you wouldn't want to incur the extra server side load?)

Anyway, just a thought.

Just that one page?

How annoying.

Having looked, I don't think I could do more to tell the browser not to cache it.

Has this only been happening this last week?

I don't like real ghost bikes either. I vaguely remember someone else on here saying that and getting jumped on by all and sundry.

If I die on my bike, do NOT erect some anonymous rattle-canned piece of shit to an item of street furniture in my honour/memory/whatever, or I will come back and haunt the fuck out of you.

Fine, but if you die you can't pretend totally silence and no any kind of action, so tell us what we can do with that, at least something, please.

You can't win Marcom, if you strike him down he will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

#longliveBMMF

Just that one page?

How annoying.

I expect it would be any page - I just think it's a weird quirk of these browsers that don't actually close.

It seems that if the URL you were on when you went off to play angry birds, is the same URL in the bookmark on the desktop you just clicked - it just restores the app without reloading the page.

You can't win Marcom, if you strike him down he will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

#longliveBMMF

I don't want to strike him down, but maybe stroking him up will resurrect a bring less lethargic and more prick head for the goodness of everyone.

I mean he is more cute as a son rather than a dad.

#longliveBMMFthepowerfulgodofallsons.VHB&a.w-FTW

Fine, but if you die you can't pretend totally silence and no any kind of action, so tell us what we can do with that, at least something, please.

Just ride your fucking bikes.

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Or not, if you don't feel like it.

I was hoping for something more kinky, oh well.

If you want a vision of *your *future, imagine a kinky boot stamping on a human face - forever.

Jesus, that's brutal, you must be having a really bad day, I'm sorry, it must be hard for you living with your own visions.

Yesterday on the London Classic Skully and I were talking about the forum and thought wouldn't be good to be able see in a quick and easy way what your mates have been posting on a sort of mates subscribed threads only going back 24hrs.