South London Beers: Reboot - Last Thursday of the Month at The Prince Regent, Herne Hill, SE24

Tell that to the Australians.

Anyway, I still don't understand the moral equivalence present here- you seem to want the cows to die for their own good?

How does that square with the vegan principles leading to the proposed cow apocalypse?

Die for there own good? I really don't know how you figured that one out.
My argument is, you are talking about saving the lives of animals that are bred for their meat. Since, to the best of my knowledge, this isn't done surgically so that the cow has a ten week recovery period before he is up frolicking with his mates, then I'm guessing they are all ready going to be killed.

Am I missing something?

Can't you lot start a seperate thread about the rights and wrongs of veganism?

If you want to change the subject, do, but why chime in to say you would prefer it if we talked about something else?

It's like talking about yoghurt in the Football Thread. I've wasted my time reading over a page of waffle on bee's and cows

Nhatt it is not just a case of disposing of the current generation of cows- you are talking about getting rid of cows altogether.

Not a slaughter but a genocide.

Do you really think that there wouldn't be a cattle preservation society? I doubt that the whole species would be wiped out. But it's neither here nor there. It is much more likely that eventually our cattle production will lessen as more people eat less meat. That is my hope anyways.

And as for you, Mr Pistanator, I just realized what to do. I want my last month to be one of peace and quiet.

No, I don't think there would be a cattle preservation society, or sheep or chickens come to that.

If you wanted to see them you could I suppose go to a less morally developed country that still had them, but in Britain they would be functionally extinct.

Anyway, moving on- anyone any good at writing personal statements for CV's?

You are insane and wrong. You're never taking my hub gears!

Just you wait. Nobody expects the fixed inquisition! Just because your gears are hiding in a hub doesn't mean we can't flush them out.

Not bad, actually.

hey don't start on my people now, you bloody boer!

Whenever I write a personal statement it either sounds like I am a megalomaniac with a god complex, or I take refuge in using words so esoteric as to make the entire statement incomprehensible to those without a dictionary handy.

Hence I could do with at least a proof reader/sanity checker.

And yes I am aware that this is not the thread for this.

Last night I got on my bike, intending on riding to souths... felt the chill, and just rode home instead...

Would have been nice to see the long lost GrowUp. And the rest who braved it. And meet clefty for a present! Damn.

Shame, Jayjeebus came bounding out of the pub like a spaniel and claimed it.

Whenever I write a personal statement it either sounds like I am a megalomaniac with a god complex, or I take refuge in using words so esoteric as to make the entire statement incomprehensible to those without a dictionary handy.

Hence I could do with at least a proof reader/sanity checker.

And yes I am aware that this is not the thread for this.

You write like you speak ;)

Sorry Oliver but your ethical position would seem to lead (no matter that it would be a slow progression as you say) to a veritable holocaust for all animal life currently farmed by humans.

How do you reconcile your stated desire for us to stop farming animals with the loss of said animals from our environment?

You've asked that before, Neil, and my position is still the same--I simply don't think any of this would conceivably occur so suddenly. It depends on supply and demand based on people's moral views. Again, I have no evangelical desire to (a) convince everybody, or (b) even if I were Prime Minister, to impose such a law as you imagine.

You're probably right that those people who have industrially-farmed livestock which they only see as a commodity, and whose continued existence they could only finance by continuing to exploit them, would initiate such a mass cull. Just look at what happened with foot-and-mouth disease--horrible. But beyond the extreme breeds (there are some horrific breeds that I choose to know as little as possible about, e.g. genetically manipulated), I really don't think that such animals as are now used as livestock will die out. There will need to be better-managed 'deep ecology' environments, proper wildernesses. Also, people who like animals for more than just economic commodity will still want them around. None of this would be very difficult to arrange.

The case of bees is particularly unlikely to lead to extinction--these are animals that are fundamental to nature, extremely well-adapted, and as I say, perfectly capable of existing independently in the wild.

You write like you speak ;)

I can type faster than I can speak, beware.

It's like talking about yoghurt in the Football Thread. I've wasted my time reading over a page of waffle on bee's and cows

Honey and beef waffles, mmmmmm.

It's like talking about yoghurt in the Football Thread. I've wasted my time reading over a page of waffle on bee's and cows

Thread drift is real. HTFU. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. :)

scuttles off to football thread to talk about vegan yoghurt

Vegan yoghurt- the mind boggles, and the stomach rebels.

So a vegan cant eat ANY animal products?

Balki! You cheeky monkey.

What? Its a serious question.

But if they go round a mates house they'd be quite happy to sit on their leather sofa

Balki-

Nope, anything obtained from or by an animal is considered to be abusive of the animal.

How this works with eating crops planted in furrow tilled by an ox drawn plow I do not know- I presume that is verboten also.