Burls titanium fixed

so i'm thinking a weight of about 6-7Kg's... am i close ? if so that's pretty good.

I don't know. I may weigh it some time...

For the record, I'm not a weight weenie.

that's a relief...

For the record, I'm not a weight weenie.

Good. That would be really heavy, man...

I wouldn't consider anything over 5kg if I was one.

Just noticed arantrek's build. I really should try to keep here. Nice one anyway. Anyone else?

I built this for my dad a few months back. It's now rocking Phil Wood/Mavic CXP33 wheels and done about 1000miles.

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My Burls fixed.

Everything i wanted it to be, light, stiff and smooth.

60 miles a week, every week come rain or shine.

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nice, i'm not a weight wennie either, im just interested how titanium compares to steel.
Currently my 57cm track steel frame and forks weighs in at 8.23Kg's, so i reckon not bad for steel.
So with titanium you save roughly 10% -15% in weight going with Crane (huge frame) 8Kg and BMMF (medium frame) 6Kg .

oh and it goes with Mr Sheldon too

Steel vs Titanium

Look at the chart again. You'll see that identical steel vs titanium frames would be about equal in strength, but that the titanium frame would be about half the weight and half the stiffness. Such a frame would likely have a whippy feel due to the reduced stiffness, especially in loaded touring applications. To compensate, builders of titanium frames use somewhat larger diameter tubes to bring the stiffness more into line with what riders like. This tends to increase the weight a bit, but by making the walls of the larger tubes a bit thinner, they can compensate to some extent, and come up with a frame that is still lighter than a normal steel frame.

*3. How do Burls titanium bicycle frames compare in weight to Burls steel bicycle frames?

                Burls steel bicycle frames can be surprisingly light, especially                      when built with high end tube sets, but to put it in perspective                      if we take a medium sized steel frame, say a 55cm c-c top                      tube built from Columbus Spirit, the top end tubeset in the                      Columbus range with a min wall thickness 0.38mm, its weight                      will be approximately 1600grams. A similar sized Burls titanium                      frame built from plain gauge 3/2.5 with a wall thickness of                      0.9 mm will weigh in at around 1370 grams.

*about 230g then (so the weight of a mid range seatpost)

edit: he fillet brazes his columbus spirit frames so a bit less if it's tigged

My frame's the same weight as a decent (but not wafer thin) aluminium frame, but more comfy, and more robust.

230g (as cited by MrSmyth above) is fucking loads. And I've had ultralight steel frames fail on me.

If anyone was bothered about weight above all else, they'd go ~800g carbon or über-Ti.

221g. the difference between dura-ace and ultegra groupsets.

once you get down to the 15.5-17.5 lb range bikes generally don't feel or ride heavy. it wouldn't take much to get my steel road bike down to the uci weight limit and i wouldn't need to buy really exotic components to do it either but i just can't see the point in doing so. (unless you want to invest in a pair of digital scales and post pics of each component on internet forums)
a good lightweight wheelset makes a big difference to ride and feel of a bike and is the best place to make weight savings imho.

Yes, wheels are the second best place to make weight savings… after the rider.

I'm currently trying to put on weight, however, whilst maintaining my power-to-weight ratio, as best as I can tell without the use of sophisticated measuring devices.

nice, i'm not a weight wennie either, im just interested how titanium compares to steel.
Currently my 57cm track steel frame and forks weighs in at 8.23Kg's, so i reckon not bad for steel.
So with titanium you save roughly 10% -15% in weight going with Crane (huge frame) 8Kg and BMMF (medium frame) 6Kg .

In Condor, there's a titanium frame and a steel frame hanging up in the basement.

the ti frame is those triple butted one that cost a fortune (1.4kg), the steel is the SAT 14.5 triple butted one (1.6kg).

having held them both, the difference is not very signifcant, only when you have the steel fork for the steel frame (700g) is when you notice it.

What I love about the ti is the loud 'PING" it make when you flick it with your finger, the steel is slighty softer.

In Condor, there's a titanium frame and a steel frame hanging up in the basement.

the ti frame is those triple butted one that cost a fortune (1.4kg), the steel is the SAT 14.5 triple butted one (1.6kg).

having held them both, the difference is not very signifcant, only when you have the steel fork for the steel frame (700kg) is when you notice it.

What I love about the ti is the loud 'PING" it make when you flick it with your finger, the steel is slighty softer.

Oh really......

i bet they love you in condor.
going in there every day and flicking the merchandise but never buying anything.

I'm currently trying to put on weight, however, whilst maintaining my power-to-weight ratio, as best as I can tell without the use of sophisticated measuring devices.

I cycle, run, and now play rubgy again.
I've been losing weight, which really shows on long bike climbs/ runs.
But last rugby season, my ribbs cracked like twiglets, due to my lack of bulk.

So I have come to the conclusion that I need a ultra light bike + need to eat lots of pies.

BTW. My recent reaserch into Taiwanese/chinese road frames threw up this one.
http://shop.cycletaiwan.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=gk_flypage.tpl&product_id=249&category_id=22&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53
Its from a company called velocity.
Made from double butted tubing.
Claimed weight of 1250g for a small
$1759 F+F+HS.

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Out of interest how heavy are your bikes Crane, Platini and DJ ?

7.2kg/ 15.5lbs.

EDIT: Conversion fail: 15.8lbs, apparently...

7.2kg/ 15.5lbs.

That's 15.8lbs I think you'll find. :p

That's 15.8lbs I think you'll find. :p

I'm sure you're right. I was getting .8lb confused with 8ozs - ie .5lb.

This metric malarkey's a little new to me...

I live in a permanent metric/imperial haze. I know certain things in metric, like my weight, but others in imperial, like my height, but not vice versa.

I knew that weight though as my bike weighs 7.2 kgs.

I knew that weight though as my bike weighs 7.2 kgs.

I see what you did there...

Subtle.

:-/

My alu bike weighs 7.3kg, which is coincidentally the amount of weight I lost over the summer.

Unlike Smallfurry, I was a bit disappointed in the fact I could hardly notice the loss of 7kg. It put in to perspective how irrelevant my gram counting on bike parts is!

it's about a stone, right?