Emergency Stopping

Richard Cheese Well you don't see all those Tour de France riders with bags so it must be a bad idea

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Richard Cheese Well you don't see all those Tour de France riders with bags so it must be a bad idea

You don't see many riding carless.

Richard Cheese Well you don't see all those Tour de France riders with bags so it must be a bad idea

wrong. they use musettes which they will either grab at feeding stations or keep stuffed up against their back beneath their jersey.

i only asked the question because i'm curious as to if, and how, the bag is what caused the dislocation as opposed to if it would have happened normally.

I ride bikeless.

walkenger

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HwVqHaYdC0I

kilgore_trout [quote]lpg Courier-bag strap ended up permanently dislocating my collar/shoulder bone when i crashed 2 years ago. But i was going ridiculously fast...

It doesn't bother me now, but in 30 years?

I hope everything turns out alright.

how tight was the strap over your shoulder that it caused you to dislocate it? would this have happened if you were bagless?[/quote]

Not very tight, i can't really remember what happened but when i got up my shoulder was kinda painful ..
Definately wouldn't have happened if i was bagless. It was a Royal Mail bag - and those straps are quite thick and padded. I think when i landed, it just depressed my collarbone so now it kinda sticks out/up.

I reckon, tho...you're not really gonna be going fast enough around C. London to get the same thing. Worst you'll get is probably is a bruise. I think i was just unfortunate that i crashed going downhill. Fuckin' Hampstead.

Be safe!

skydancer Thanks d0cA... i've been riding about 8 months and generally feel confident, but have never been able to stop as quickly as on my hybrid. I wonder if i am either not strong enough or just havn't twigged how to do it properly. I don't really want to add a back brake.

sorry, didn't mean to be patronising. but as far as i'm concerned, safety comes before being cool - and yes, i am a doctor, so i've seen some of the results of stupidity/over-confidence.

kilgore_trout [quote]SMEEAR i agree
they fell heavy to lift but once on you waist you dont notice them
im just scared of what could happen to your hips in a crash?

if i keep it in my bag my shoulders kill me, yet i can do 50mile rides with it around my waist no problem.
i was riding a critical mass once and this german lady rides up to me and flat out says "you will break your ribs" and i have NO idea what the fuck she was talking about, and then she pointed to my chain.
i usually don't wear it low on my hips, i tend to keep it above my hips - almost resting on top of them. the few times i've gone down with it on the worst that's happened has been my love-handle-area getting pinched in between the chain and a bit of a bruise.[/quote]

I used to do that, it's more comfy than carrying it anywhere else on the bike but stopped doing it out of concern for what happens if I crash. I would think that it's pretty unpredictable where on your body the chain and lock will end in a crash and both hips and ribs are vulnerable. The only major bones I can think of that are closer to the surface are shins and skull. Then again some people don't wear helmets...

what is your front brake? I have a single shimano 105, its very capable of lifting the rear wheel when I have my arms outstretched and as much of my 20st hanging over the back wheel as I can get ;) that is on a dry road in the wet I can lock the front wheel up with a bit of effort, yet it is still quite controllable. Maybe you just need a better front brake. When I can emergency brake using the front brake with sufficient force to make my rear wheel lift a back brake becomes pointless (IMHO) if I'm just braking/slowing normally the use of my legs is enough (usually) and I can modulate my front brake to slow more if I need (I still can't skid).

Hockey stop! Hockey stop! Hockey stop! (Search threads)
Or do as I do and endo + skid/backpedal the rear + wobble + look panicky.

stompy [quote]ChrisNW Usually use a big D lock.

On your bike or the scallies?[/quote]

lol, not a bad idea ;)

A word to anyone who rides a fixed wheel with just a front brake. I was able to stop very quickly and safely with one brake and my legs. Yesterday in peckham a bus pulled out from my left and a van cut in front of me. I was over the handlebars before I knew what happened. I am sure other people will think they have faster reactions and are better at stopping, but you will never know until it's an emergeancy stop, which is very different.

A word to anyone who rides a fixed wheel with just a front brake. I was able to stop very quickly and safely with one brake and my legs. Yesterday in peckham a bus pulled out from my left and a van cut in front of me. I was over the handlebars before I knew what happened. I am sure other people will think they have faster reactions and are better at stopping, but you will never know until it's an emergeancy stop, which is very different.
what is your point? the exact same thing would have happened with 2 hand brakes. you pulled the front brake too hard. end of. i did exactly the same thing last year when some dozy ped stepped out in front of me...

Yesterday in peckham a bus pulled out from my left and a van cut in front of me. **I was over the handlebars **before I knew what happened.

Bikerfox...is that you?

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what is your point? the exact same thing would have happened with 2 hand brakes. you pulled the front brake too hard. end of. i did exactly the same thing last year when some dozy ped stepped out in front of me...

I can't do as good an emergency stopped riding one brake fixed as I can riding covering both brakes on a free-wheel. Because of this I ride a different rhythm fixed (risk compensation). When I teach people to do emergency stopping I avoid demonstrating on my (fixed) bike and use theirs.

I can't do as good an emergency stopped riding one brake fixed as I can riding covering both brakes on a free-wheel. Because of this I ride a different rhythm fixed (risk compensation). When I teach people to do emergency stopping I avoid demonstrating on my (fixed) bike and use theirs.
but you are just as likely to go over the handlebars with 2 brakes if you pull the front brake too hard... that was my point.

@ gstratton - out of curiosity what was the front brake?

I had a pair of old CB brakes on my old carlton and the one time I had to emergency stop I went straight over the bars. I never came close to that in 2 years of riding my hybrid with tektro v-brakes, and the ultegra front I've got on my fixed now has never locked up in the same way (altho it hasn't been put to an extreme test).

i usually ride with a chain like that around my waist and a u-lock in my back pocket. it really isn't that bad and after a few minutes you get used to it.

i agree
they feel heavy to lift but once on you waist you dont notice them
im just scared of what could happen to your hips in a crash?
What happened to these to people (aimed at the people around in 2007/2008?) ?
Its like looking at grave stones and wondering about the lives of the people buried there.

A word to anyone who rides a fixed wheel with just a front brake. I was able to stop very quickly and safely with one brake and my legs. Yesterday in peckham a bus pulled out from my left and a van cut in front of me. I was over the handlebars before I knew what happened. I am sure other people will think they have faster reactions and are better at stopping, but you will never know until it's an emergeancy stop, which is very different.
i hope you and the stratton are ok.

both me and the bike are fine. the latter was my primary concern.

the front brake is a campag calliper.

i agree, if you have two brakes, and you pull the front one too hard, you will also go over the handlebars. but that has not happened to be in probably twenty years of riding with two brakes. the point is, if you have only one and someone pull in front of you and stops suddenly, you have little option but to pull the front one. maybe i have poor coordination or reactions, and most people could stop safely with one brake. I hope so. I thought I could until this happened. just a thought.

What happened to these to people (aimed at the people around in 2007/2008?) ?
Its like looking at grave stones and wondering about the lives of the people buried there.

Newbies ate them, recipes in the food thread.

if you panic and grab the front brake too hard you're going over the bars, simple. If you ride fixed you should be able to pull an emergency skid at any time; the trick is to lock the rear wheel then use the front brake to slow you down quicker, don't rely on just the brake.

I had several hairy moment being brakeless when i starrted. Its cool though. It taught me to be more spacially aware and to HTFU.