Remember kids... always wear a helmet. (The almighty bikeradar helmet thread)

[URL="http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1027.html"][/URL]OK the links have gone in to my "read when its not too busy at work" folder. Oliver you regularly use words that I don't know the meaning of so I am assuming you have done the work and that cyclehelmets.org are bonefide and above board.

It does seem to be far more complex an issue than perhaps you would initially think.

Thanks Chalfie for the links to the blog likewise I will read further.

It is complex because it's a difficult question to answer properly.

The debate is being obscured by this part of safety. The debate is: why are vehicles in cities given more priority over citizens?
What can we do to change it?
And it's here that techniques from science probably might be helpful.
Ie randomized controlled trials of policy.
Someone much cleverer than me suggests this.

Oliver you regularly use words that I don't know the meaning of so I am assuming you have done the work

Phew, it's working. rubs hands

Someone much cleverer than me suggests this.

A cycle trainer?

Bof!

Personally, I would expect it to be confirmed that populations of voluntary helmet-wearers would also be at greater risk than compelled populations, as I don't believe that the increase in head injuries in compelled populations is only due to decreasing levels of cycling, but rather than hypothesising it'll be more interesting to see what that research actually says, when it's done. :)

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1261.html

You would be right.
0.5% of Dutch riders wear helmets, but those helmet wearers account for 13% of hospitalisations.

Well, I know that, but as far as I know there is as of yet no study that thoroughly examines helmet-wearing by populations of non-compelled utility cyclists. For starters, it's difficult to construct such a study, choose subjects, etc.--the epidemiological compulsion studies have the advantage that 'participants' don't know they're being observed. :)

Everybody knows that if you play football competitively, you have a greater risk of injury than if you kick a tin can around. Obviously, you can still get injured doing that, and if you compete you're probably fitter and more adept at moving, etc., but your risk of injury is still greater. It is only to be expected that mountain bikers and road racers get injured more than ordinary commuters et al. That (almost) only sporty risk-takers wear helmets in NL is, I think, unlike any other country.

Tin cans can be pretty sharp, you should probably wear a helmet to kick them with.

Yes, what is a cyclist and what is a bicycle user?
Those that wear helmets when they cycle in the Netherlands are the same people who don't wear helmets when they use a bike.

Chalfie - this is the same evidence that Buffalo Bill elsewhere on the forum points to. I quite understand why everybody is ignoring it?
the 2006 Cochrane review is just a re-write of their 2000 review with the fictional quotes and libelous remarks about Mayer Hillman removed. The Cochrane website used to have about 15 pages of rebuttal arguments but I think they no longer show those.

Two questions: How good is a review where 60% of the cases come from two studies of the same population by the authors of the review? The data all comes from studies in the 80s and 90s when helmet wearing rates were very low and there were great socialogical differences between wearers and non wearers; why are there no recent studies that support the outcomes of the Cochrane reviewers?

Because there's been no decent, scientifically sound, study to be worth a review?

Has this been resolved yet?

Nope. Everybody is still bickering about things that don't actually matter that much.

Everybody knows that if you play football competitively, you have a greater risk of injury
Throwing yourself on the floor and crying like a spanked 5 year old is not an injury.

Wetlip bebwetting footballer thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

^ You're brave!

No - this is Brave:

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bebwetting?

Stay classy in your typos, bra wearer.

Do all sleeveless vests now qualify as a bra?

Has anyone told the Australians and SAAAFricans this?

tank tops cause head injuries?

bebwetting?

Stay classy in your typos, bra wearer.
It's a speech impebiment.

So glad to have my helmet on this morning. Lost control at 25ish, couldn't get it back and the bike was swerving to the left. Came off the bike, rolled forward headfirst into the curb, helmet took the impact of the edge. Could have been horrible had I not had the lid on.

Why is big chain ring not trolling this thread?