Mario Vaz resprays

i had a frame renovated by mario, a holdsworth. wonderful job ! he got his bro to add some braze-ons, and did a great job in transforming it to team h colours, with original decals. but........ stove enamel is NOT powder coating ! fact !.....it has better depth of colour and is a thinner coating, but it never will be more resilient than powder coating. he is also a really nice man !

I had a respray done by Mario a few yesra ago and the quality was not good as the paint began to chip and flake straightaway but it was cheap [£40] and in life you get what you pay for. However, i found him a lovely chap. So i didn't make a fuss about it and eventually sold the frame to Roberto.

Wingedangel, if you read back you'll see that I made no comment about the quality of the guy's work. I merely stated that someone who relies on word of mouth shouldn't be telling people to fuck off if they aren't happy. It will only make them even more unhappy plus it's quite rude.

Wingedangel, if you read back you'll see that I made no comment about the quality of the guy's work. I merely stated that someone who relies on word of mouth shouldn't be telling people to fuck off if they aren't happy. It will only make them even more unhappy plus it's quite rude.

Though we only have this one account of him telling someone to fuck off...we only have one side of the story, and that usually means it has no semblance to the real events...

and now after 21 years in business the first thing that appears when you google him is this thread.

I don't think that is realistic or fair.

mario is good, he delivers what he says he will. do not bad mouth him !!!!

Powdercoating has always a been the coating that did what paint didn't...ie not chip.

kind of.

in the past, enamel were pretty tough, take any old frame and it's not easy to try and chip it, but due to Health and Safety (and quite rightly so), the enamel nowadays are very weak, so even the slightest touch can chip a frame nowadays.

kind of.

in the past, enamel were pretty tough, take any old frame and it's not easy to try and chip it, but due to Health and Safety (and quite rightly so), the enamel nowadays are very weak, so even the slightest touch can chip a frame nowadays.

Yes.,..however the equivalent of powder coating was *stove *enamalling which was different to just painting it and air drying, even if the frames had been heated, it was only a slight cooking similar to how you do two pack now. It was enamel that was used and not paint per se, air drying paint being different to 'cooking' enamel. The propellant in the paint (thinners) has a different content level and the faster you cure the paint the better the shine, it 'freezes wetter'...ie more glossy.

Usually things were painted using 'standard' paint then heating it, ie spray with a gun then send through an open oven or use heat lamps, where as stove enamalling was heated to 120c in a closed oven (which is damned hot....)
The differences in the toxicity of 'paint' has also affected the enamel which is used in stove enamalling, as well as 'standard' cellulose. Other finishes that came about ie acrylic, two pack were 'harder' paints though harder to apply (acrylic being very wet and easy to run, two pack being as toxic as fuck...
Powder coating was never a paint as such, it was an industrial coating that was very hard, though not that good a 'finish' (ie thick, heavy, hard to polish, not able to blend well, add detailing...where as enamel you could keep adding details and then recook)
These changes have led to it becoming very chippable where as before, pretty much any old cellulose paint was really quite tough, it would scratch rather than 'chip'...when you scratch two pack paint it 'fractures' like glass, this is similar to stove enamel, where as powder coat will almost dent, as it is more like plastic and not 'paint'.

I apologise for the terrible grammar. Only a little though, it's a comment about paint not shakespeare.

armourtex ftw!

This thread title really ought to be edited.

+1 to wingedangel's rant (and thanks for the good comparison between different finishes).

I've always had a problem with the title of this thread.

As I've said before, Mario's jobs are cheap as chips and should be treated as such... I could moan (and have done, even on this thread) about the paint jobs he's done for me but at the end of the day I would've had to pay a shitload more if I'd gone elsewhere (Mercian, Argos, Colourtech)... And it's dead handy that his brother's there to do little repairs etc before finishing... You payz yer money and you takez yer choice, ladies...
BTW Mario is more than happy to redo a job if you aren't happy with it...

Velocio - Please could you change the title of this thread? Something like "Mario Vaz" will surely suffice!

Velocio - Please could you change the title of this thread? Something like "Mario Vaz" will surely suffice!

+1

Was very happy to deal with Mario Vaz recently.

Loic

Who cares if he did or didn't tell someone to fuck off. Thats irrelevant. Whats more important is noting that He does a shit job for a small amount of money.
He may be cheap, but he doesn't advertise his work as cheap but shit. Which is what it is.

I've seen about 5 frames in the past 3 months from him and every one was poor to shit.

Exactly, you can run a perfectly healthy business on poor customer service and shoddy workmanship. Look at BLB.

Zing!

Grade A PotKettleBlack™...

cutting...

Who cares if he did or didn't tell someone to fuck off. Thats irrelevant. Whats more important is noting that He does a shit job for a small amount of money.
He may be cheap, but he doesn't advertise his work as cheap but shit. Which is what it is.
I've seen about 5 frames in the past 3 months from him and every one was poor to shit.

I don't know your standards, but I've seen really nice frames done by Mario Vaz, some have been posted in this thread.

In comparison, people seem, still in this thread, to consider that Argos or Colourtech achieve better quality, although they are more expensive.

I had a frame done by Colourtech: I've asked for it to be done AS PER ORIGINAL, and I ended up with a colour a tone darker, with a metallic finish when the colour was originally plain, different period transfers, they did put the logo on the fork crown but forgot to put it on the top of the seat stays, the lug lining (white onto a purple frame) is either too thick and unregular on the lugs at the front of the frame, or thinner and weirdly "transparent" (you can see the purple thru the white lining which is kind of pinkish white) on the lugs on the back of the frame.
Finally, and I am not the first person to mention that, the paint chips easily...
You would call that a shit job I'm sure, but I don't, because the job is still very nice on the overall look and the final built pleases me, and I would definitely not start a thread claiming that Colourtech are shit. A lot of people are really happy with them, and just like I saw nice jobs done by Vaz, I saw nice jobs done by Colourtech!

Finally, at the time I had that frame done (1.5 year ago), I had never seen any jobs done by Vaz, and few people I met did recommend me not to use him, saying he was bad. I should not have listen to them and save over £100 on the bill! I am pretty confident saying that I would be as happy today.

Loic

Exactly, you can run a perfectly healthy business on poor customer service and shoddy workmanship. Look at BLB.

lol, pwned.

Maybe having decent manners and patience, and being clear about what you want helps. I don't know. If you treat people like a service rather than with some respect, you might find people are less inclined to take care over what you've asked them to do.

Just sayin', loike. I can't really get on with this 'I'm paying good money I want perfection' business, on ancient old bikes that might collapse at any minute (for example the broken frame further up this thread! As if Mario or his repairer are 'responsible' for that! Bollocks they are. It's made of steel! Steel rusts! Durrrr.) Now I'm getting angry. I refer you to Wingedangel's post at the top of this page.

Fucking get a life and quit whingin, this is London My Friend. [/artist formely known as dogsballs]

I like the Dogsballs bit... nice touch!

Just sayin', loike...

I guess that's me...

Maybe having decent manners and patience, and being clear about what you want helps. I don't know. If you treat people like a service rather than with some respect, you might find people are less inclined to take care over what you've asked them to do.
Just sayin', loike. I can't really get on with this 'I'm paying good money I want perfection' business, on ancient old bikes that might collapse at any minute (for example the example further up this thread! As if Mario or his repairer are 'responsible' for that! Bollocks they are. It's made of steel! Steel rusts! Durrrr.) Now I'm getting angry. I refer you to Wingedangel's post at the top of this page.
Fucking get a life and quit whingin, this is London My Friend. [/artist formely known as dogsballs]

Just in case I my little paragrah was not clear enough, what I was only trying to say is that I am in complete agrement with Wingedangel's post, and what you say too... I've just detailed a few things that happened to me to show how someone with a different sensibility could come on a forum and call people names, however I think this is completely not necessary or even legitimate... you never know the whole story, what was said, etc... so it's not good to jump to conclusion. And just to clarify again, I was happy with the final result with colourtech, although it was not exactly what I expected.

So please Velocio, could the title of the thread be edited?

Loic

Loic mon petit cochon d'Inde

That was not aimed at you! I read your post, and clearly your experience of Vaz has been good (the holdworth mend / paint, right?).

'Loike' is an affected way of saying 'like', as if spoken with a west country accent.