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Normally weight doesn't matter, yadda yadda,

If you're serious about hill climbs, get tubulars for October and get some other wheels for riding all summer and taking to Majorca

Tester, you must have a technidotal take on the Pillar CN424 no?

My take on it is that you've confused Pillar, who make decent spokes such as the PBA 1422 (their closest match to a CX-Ray, not necessarily my first choice from their range), and CN Spoke, who also make decent spokes such as the Aero424. They are both in New Taipei City, but about 6 miles apart.

Excellent, thanks for the info. Yes, that's the mistake I've made.

My Campag Eurus still have life left in them so maybe I will get some tubs... wish I'd pulled the trigger on those cheap 20mm Planet X ones now.

You first have to get hold of the R460. Madsion are out of stock until March. the lack of supply of this rim has put me off ever offering them.

Yes they are. I use tubs all year round. If you think they are not practical then you are doing something wrong.

Sew up tubs what on earth do you think you have to do to repair a puncture? Carry a spare tub and some sealant that way you can deal with a small puncture and a big one. when I go out on tubs I have a can of pit stop in my back pocket and a spare tub strapped under the saddle. I rarely puncture on tubs but when I do 5 minutes later I am back on the road. Seriously what is the hassle.

You first have to get hold of the R460

I think DT have been taken slightly by surprise that the R460 has been such a hit, it seem to be the rim everybody has been waiting for. I expect the supply situation will get better when the initial rush dies down, but at the moment every forum's wheelbuilding thread is bigging them up.

Seriously what is the hassle

The hassle is what happens when you get home with a tub which is too broken to run on sealant alone. You're looking at either getting the sewing needle out or getting the credit card out.

For me: I can't get the fecking things on the rim myself. Too tight to stretch. No doubt you can learn it by lots of practice if you've time for it...I'd rather spend my time tinkering with other things :)

2 punctures in 100 miles in glassbin Belfast on continued gatorskins and I've given up. Too bad as they do cycle nicely on the old MA2s :)

I've sown a tub at home its not too hard :)

I've sown a tub at home

So have I, in the days before there were clinchers as fast as tubs. Life is too short to keep doing it though.

'zactly. No tubs for me, even only for HCs. Life's too short.

I love the gluing, very arts n crafty. But all time consuming.

I love the gluing

Seriously what is the hassle.

So speaks the voice of experience.

I have no experience of tubulars or tubeless tyres, so I guess I'd stick with clinchers for almost every use. I have tubs on some track wheels I use at HHV, but I think when they go I may have to ask someone else to put new ones on!

Serious question: if you need to use the spare tubular on a ride (not totally weird to me as I often carry a folding clincher in case of tyre disasters) does that mean you would just have some tape too to hold it on, or use the residual glue on the rim to adhere the new tub?

I am totally used to just switching inners on clinchers by the roadside. Seems to me like if you've never had much experience with tubulars, you're unlikely to switch to them because someone on the internet says they're dead easy to use.

does that mean you would just have some tape too to hold it on, or use the residual glue on the rim to adhere the new tub?

The latter. You'd usually have the base coat of glue on the base tape of the tyre too, so you have cured adhesive on both surfaces, and pressing them together with about 100psi is enough to stop any relative movement, as the cured glue is a rubbery polymer.

:):):)

yes they popular if you have to wait a couple of months for a £35 rim then I would look elsewhere. It is a £35 rim not an HED Belgium+.

Yes I have a tub strapped under the saddle of a few of my bikes or I carry one in my back pocket along with a can of pitstop. Residual glue on the rim and the glue I have put on the base tape of the spare is enough to form a good strong bond when mounted. I paint alot of glue onto the rim when I initally prep it so when they day comes to pull a punctured tub of I have plenty of glue left. I have got back home on the spare and checked the bond and found it be very strong and just left it. They are less hassle than you think. I have 12 road bikes. 2 run tubeless tyres, 9 run tubs and one has clinchers but there is a tubular set of wheels waiting for it. That may give you a hint how much I hate and distrust tubes+ clinchers - they always let me down (except the challange strada bianca).

if you have to wait a couple of months for a £35 rim then I would look elsewhere. It is a £35 rim not an HED Belgium+.

I'd happily wait a couple of months for a £30 R460 if the alternative is instant delivery of a £100+ Hed rim :-)

Time = money, but the exchange rate is highly variable.

The DT rims is fine for the price but the few I have had have been acceptably round but that's it.
Shops don't like buying of bike24 much for obvious reasons. This means the DT Swiss R460 is turning into a home wheel builders rim only as only german websites ever seem to have it. this is another reason not to bother. It is a decent enough rim but if supply is an issue and a customer dents a rim what do I do then. sorry sir you'll have to wait 3 months is not a tenable reply. supply is even more problematic than when the archetype was popular (remember that). I had some on order in december for end January delivery but that has been put back to March. The customer got bored of waiting (I don't blame him) and I had to build with archetypes for the same price. That O.K once but you can't do it that often.

If you are making a £35 rim then make alot of them because it will be popular. Getting caught out like that is simply shoddy planning.

That what I think of everyone's new favourite rim.

Getting caught out like that is simply shoddy planning

That's why you run a little bike shop and DT run a big factory. Building sufficient capacity to fully service the initial demand spike would significantly reduce the lifecycle profitability of a product. You only have to look at games consoles and mobile phone handsets to see that shortages in the first few months are a normal part of industrial planning.

I've been wondering for the past three pages that tester's been laying bait who was actually going to bite...

Where is a good place to buy rims? Anyone got suggestions for the two rear hubs below.

I have a good 24 hole hub from a Reynold's wheel that was crashed and I would like to rebuild with a rim 35-40mm deep rim and less than 500 grams

I also have a 16 hole Bontrager hub which is a rebranded DT swiss. I would like to attach this to a 50-80mm carbon rim with aluminum braking surface. Not sure how common or useful 16 hole is.

Cheers

Check out the Orient Express thread for carbon rims from the far east.

If you are not adverse to tubs, PX has 88mm carbon rims for £99

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/RIPX82C/planet-x-82mm-carbon-rim

Is anyone experienced in drilling holes in aero alu rims?
I found some nice Saavedra tub rims going super cheap but the thing is they haven't been drilled. I did a bit of research and it doesn't seem like that much of a hassle. Does anyone know what the easiest way to find out the spoke hole distance would be and how I would possibly go about drilling the holes without too much hassle?
I would image a centre punch then dremel the first holes and then a drill press for the outside?

If anyone wants to chip for some let me know!