Lance Armstrong... greatest doper there was or ever will be

Given the pictures of the women he was with, the surgery didn't work.

I'd love to dope.

Quite seriously.

If medical science has solutions to help maintain a physical performance above the norm then I want them.

If it can improve hearing then I'd love to do it and go to a classical concert. If it can improve sight then I want it and will then tour galleries and go see the world. If it can improve mental ability, then fantastic for sometimes I'm a dunce.

In many ways I'm pro-doping. In pro-sports it is the deceit that bugs me more than the doping itself.

Just throwing that out there.

I'd love to dope.

Quite seriously.

If medical science has solutions to help maintain a physical performance above the norm then I want them.

If it can improve hearing then I'd love to do it and go to a classical concert. If it can improve sight then I want it and will then tour galleries and go see the world. If it can improve mental ability, then fantastic for sometimes I'm a dunce.

In many ways I'm pro-doping. In pro-sports it is the deceit that bugs me more than the doping itself.

Just throwing that out there.

Do it then. It is not illegal in most cases if you are not cheating in a sport.

What would you actually get out of it though? Why not get a Cancellara motor installed in your bike instead?

The health effects would also be a concern.

^ He might beat you up the Alpe and then die.

Anyone here popped a Viagra?

Sex doping. You should get a lifetime ban from shagging.

I don't need shit like that because I'm a sexual Tyrannosaurus, but if you have you should be ashamed of yourselves.

I took Viagra...

...It got caught in my throat and all I got was a stiff neck.

I'd love to dope.

Quite seriously.

If medical science has solutions to help maintain a physical performance above the norm then I want them.

If it can improve hearing then I'd love to do it and go to a classical concert. If it can improve sight then I want it and will then tour galleries and go see the world. If it can improve mental ability, then fantastic for sometimes I'm a dunce.

In many ways I'm pro-doping. In pro-sports it is the deceit that bugs me more than the doping itself.

Just throwing that out there.

Agreed. Relevant read: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/08/news/in-search-of-relevance-a-cat-3-turns-to-epo-and-hgh_232611

What would you actually get out of it though? Why not get a Cancellara motor installed in your bike instead?

Fuck it, get a GoCycle.

In many ways I'm pro-doping. In pro-sports it is the deceit that bugs me more than the doping itself.

What about amateur sports?

If I found out someone cheated to beat me I'd punch them in the cock and make them eat their own bike with only brown sauce to garnish.

I don't think anyone has a problem with doping, as long as it isn't in a competition.
But as soon as one person starts using it to get an unfair advantage, it's inciting others to take the same risks to keep up.

Thing is though, aside from eye surgery or whatever, doping isn't permanent and you still have to work like a motherfucker to get the 'benefit' out of it, and even whilst getting said benefits you will still be hurting as bad as before, so the question is, what would the point be? Arriving at work 3 whole minutes earlier or 'beating' everyone on the local hill-climb? Pretty sure for the 99.99999999% dropping £25,000 on a year's supply of EPO and HGH will do nothing of any real meaning for them.

Taking doping products for improving mental faculties is already common, whether it's caffeine tabs or people taking ADD medications to help them concentrate longer-i've not heard of any that will actually boost brain function in terms of instantly improving IQ though, otherwise we might be seeing Lance winning a Nobel prize in the next few years and Nike issuing a new edition of recreational library-specific trainers to help everyone else cure over-awareness of cancer too.

I'm sure you've all read this guy's account of seeking out doping products as an amateur athlete as an experiment, it but will post again for anyone who hasn't read it (he was already training 15-20 hrs a week as quite a serious athlete though so i'm sure he could already trash the majority of folk he crossed paths with at Regent's)

http://www.iaaf.org/news/kind=2/newsId=23876.html

What about doping at work? Lose the promotion because the other bloke was always in earlier and working later and working faster. Bloody workplace drug cheats!

I'd love to dope.

Quite seriously.

If medical science has solutions to help maintain a physical performance above the norm then I want them.

If it can improve hearing then I'd love to do it and go to a classical concert. If it can improve sight then I want it and will then tour galleries and go see the world. If it can improve mental ability, then fantastic for sometimes I'm a dunce.

In many ways I'm pro-doping. In pro-sports it is the deceit that bugs me more than the doping itself.

Just throwing that out there.

Better living through chemistry

I think it's human nature to want to make things easier/faster/tastier. Pro-sports are often quite luddite in comparison i.e. F1 cars having no turbos, no ABS, no traction control. Chuck a load of tech into a F1 car and I could probably drive it faster than Vettel. Much like NJS, which are forever frozen in skinny-tubed splendour, or indeed the bikes for the pro-tour, which have a minimum weight. Or indeed the Boardman Lotus bike, which was blatebntly faster but subsequently banned.

When technological innovations are first introduced they offer a clear advantage to the innovators, in bike look at Lemand and his teardrop helmet and tri-bars, and clipless over clips and straps. A few sneak through, others get stomped on in the spirit of 'fair play' and a 'level-playing field'. Witness the French whinging about our magic wheels

'Finanical doping'

Thing is though, aside from eye surgery or whatever, doping isn't permanent and you still have to work like a motherfucker to get the 'benefit' out of it, and even whilst getting said benefits you will still be hurting as bad as before, so the question is, what would the point be? Arriving at work 3 whole minutes earlier or 'beating' everyone on the local hill-climb? Pretty sure for the 99.99999999% dropping £25,000 on a year's supply of EPO and HGH will do nothing of any real meaning for them.

Depends on what you see is the benefit. If you have money to spare and don't mind being a cheating prick then it's game on. You don't need to be top level athlete to get benefits from doping. Any added power, any added bit of recovery that allows you to train more is cheating others. There's already cases of low level riders cheating so it's not like there's no precedent.

What about doping at work? Lose the promotion because the other bloke was always in earlier and working later and working faster. Bloody workplace drug cheats!

Some people take beta blockers etc for things like auditions/music recitals. If they get the job over someone else then have they cheated or just used every means at their disposal?

I was joking about the work thing but unless it's banned then it's kosher isn't it? It's just a case of how much you are prepared to risk, health-wise, etc and how guilty, if at all, you feel.

If the person then failed to keep the same level of performance they'd likely be replaced.

I doped for the last TNRC and fucking smashed it up Radnor Road. Well worth it.

I've been dopey since I was born..

Depends on what you see is the benefit. If you have money to spare and don't mind being a cheating prick then it's game on. You don't need to be top level athlete to get benefits from doping. Any added power, any added bit of recovery that allows you to train more is cheating others. There's already cases of low level riders cheating so it's not like there's no precedent.

I suppose i mean that for the majority you can achieve the same level of performance sans sauce, sans cash and sans health risks. But ditto it being an easy solve for being a bit lazy or desperate-one of the members of the Danish anti-doping committee was caught doping for a senior's race recently.... pretty fucking stupid.

None of this is rogue medicine though, the stuff has gone through pharma trials and testing. It's just banned as a performance enhancement.

Used wisely and within parameters of the field trials and your own physical capabilities. Why wouldn't it be low risk and enhancing?

how then do you understand athletic competition?

I was joking about the work thing but unless it's banned then it's kosher isn't it? It's just a case of how much you are prepared to risk, health-wise, etc and how guilty, if at all, you feel.

If the person then failed to keep the same level of performance they'd likely be replaced.

I just find it interesting regarding what's considered acceptable.

For example, EPO and blood transfusions are banned but training at altitude or using an altitude chamber to sleep in in order to increase your blood count aren't yet they have the same effect.

^^^ Don't know what your definition of 'low risk' or 'enhancing' is-steroids have huge risks and side-effects attached and Tyler Hamilton cites Ferrari as being concerned that it was his meds that gave pharmstrong cancer in the first instance.

That said, so do most drugs that have gone through clinical trials, some people will get internal bleeding, clots, neural side-effects, others wont. Guess it depends how interested you are and how good your medical supervision is.

I just find it interesting regarding what's considered acceptable.

For example, EPO and blood transfusions are banned but training at altitude or using an altitude chamber to sleep in in order to increase your blood count aren't yet they have the same effect.

Training at altitude does the opposite I think. Sleep high, train low