Lance Armstrong... greatest doper there was or ever will be

Ha, sorry. That came off a bit snarky. It's amazing how since moving here, though, throw-away comments about Americans have become one of my biggest pet-peeves.

what's really cringeworthy is brits talking about americans.

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*Go! U.s.a. Go! U.s.a!***

Or Australians talking about.. well anything. :P

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Ha, sorry. That came off a bit snarky. It's amazing how since moving here, though, throw-away comments about Americans have become one of my biggest pet-peeves.

you mean Yanks

you mean Yanks

NO, he means all Merkins, not just Unionists.

Sunday Times articles from today

http://shorttext.com/jqurzblrsyf

What is also clear is that fears about professional cyclists refusing to speak about their doping were misplaced. “The problem,” said one source close to the investigation, “was not getting them to talk but to stop them crying so they could continue talking.”

Sunday Times articles from today

http://shorttext.com/jqurzblrsyf

like walsh, there will be quite a few people thinking that their time has come now - good article

only one thing worse than a cheat..that is a liar.. as much as i have admired lamestrong during his career, the fact that the noose is now closing in on him.. his reluctance to admit use of drugs.. and will no doubt dis-credit his loyalist of confidents hincapie.

questions remain..

could lamestrong have developed a chemo type treatment after surviving cancer to hide his drug use?

that he only competed in the TdF did that limit the amount of testing he received i.e only during races not out of season?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366948n&tag=contentMain;contentBody
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366946n&tag=segementExtraScroller;housing

...and in written form...tyler said Armstrong told him he had tested positive for EPO during 2001 Tour but escaped punishment after the UCI intervened on his behalf.
"I know he's had a positive test before," Hamilton said. "He told me. He was so relaxed about it and he kind of said it off the cuff and laughed it off.
"People took care of it. I don't know all the exact details but I know that Lance's people and the people from the other side, the governing body of the sport, figured out a way to make it go away."

"60 Minutes" obtained a letter from USADA in which the Swiss lab which tested Armstrong at the 2001 Tour de Suisse considered Armstrong's sample "suspicious" and "consistent with EPO use". The CBS news program learned that the director of the Swiss lab had met with both Lance Armstrong and team director Johan Bruyneel concerning the test from the Tour de Suisse.
The Swiss lab director has since given a sworn statement to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). "60 Minutes" has learned that the lab director testified that a representative of the UCI wanted the matter of the suspicious test to go no further. The lab director also testified that the meeting between himself, Bruyneel and Armstrong was arranged by the UCI.
The lab director said that testing procedures were discussed during the meeting.
Around the time that the meeting took place between the Swiss lab director, Armstrong and Bruyneel, Armstrong donated $25,000 to the UCI. Three years later he made an additional $100,000 donation to the UCI.
The UCI would not reveal to "60 Minutes" the doping test from the 2001 Tour de Suisse due to rider confidentiality, but Armstrong's attorney provided the news show with a letter from the UCI on the matter that states none of the positive samples belonged to Armstrong.

from: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hamilton-alleges-armstrong-epo-positive-cover-up-on-60-minutes

Did we need more evidence that the UCI are damaging the sport? Oooh, go on then..

Betrayal: apparently when he couriered Tyler's EPO to him he used FEDeX....not USPS!

some of the comments on his facebook page are cringeworthy
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"Lance, we love and believe in you! When the devil whispers in your ear and makes you promises of money and fame, its hard for some people to ignore. Stay positive!"
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That quotation is pure genius. Ne fule kno that Lance never ever not once was ever positive!

Actually, perhaps it's just particularly good satire. It's so hard to tell what in the media is written by Chris Morris these days.

A strange error here:

"In my lunch bag I got EPO. You know, other guys got other things such as growth hormone. I mean, it's sad to say it, I was kinda willing and accepting of the lunch bag, but you know, in a way it was also an honor that, 'Wow, like, they think I'm good enough to be with the 'A' team guys,'" Armstrong said.

That should be "Hamilton".

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/20/60minutes/main20064858_page3.shtml

A bit more from the interview: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20064874-10391709.html?tag=contentBody;listingLeadStories

What's interesting about comments from Americans is how often they refer to money rather than ethics. ......risking Horatio's wrath here.

You're just making a comment about what you're witnessing in the comments. Not offering insight into the psyche of over 300 million people garnered from some sort of direct line every Brit has to the American Zeitgeist. Or spouting out tired and lazy prejudice. Those are the things that annoy me.

(I used a German word just for you).

And to be fair, the investigation is about money.

Although, on the flip side, I also found is disappointing that safety of the riders was never raised as an reason to stop doping. Instead it was about honesty or being-a-good-role-modelness or some other crap.

And to be fair, the investigation is about money.

in defence of the septics*, money is what the federal investigation is all about.

(*casual racism, as its monday)

You're just making a comment about what you're witnessing in the comments. Not offering insight into the psyche of over 300 million people garnered from some sort of direct line every Brit has to the American Zeitgeist. Or spouting out tired and lazy prejudice. Those are the things that annoy me.

(I used a German word just for you).

Rephrase: in my opinion, after a non-scientific scan of comments on twitter and other web pages money is mentioned frequently by some Americans.....I'm guessing more than by other nationalities.

as anecdotal evidence pours in, some even seem to be suggesting that the fact that he raised x million dollars should absolve him of his alleged fraud and amongst his detractors the motive oft-cited for his alleged actions is money.

how do I know the comments were from Americans? by the poor spelling and punctuation....

It's not about money to me, it's about fraud, sporting, criminal and most importantly, psychological and social. Our greatest hero in the sport we love may well turn out to be a nasty, aggressive, liar and cheat.....quite literally millions of children and adults have looked up to him as a role-model....if only you could put a dollar value on hope.

if only you could put a dollar value on hope.

Fifty, obviously.

as anecdotal evidence pours in, some even seem to be suggesting that the fact that he raised x million dollars should absolve him of his alleged fraud and amongst his detractors the motive oft-cited for his alleged actions is money.

So two issues around money. In the former case (fundraising he has done for charities), I would argue that's not an issue about money. It's just one of the easiest ways to measure contribution to a good cause. That is to say, it's one way of weighing the positives against the negatives socially. Why do people do community service after they commit a crime? Does this not, at least legally if not morally, absolve them of their wrong doing? I don't see anything strange in the discussion around it.

In the latter case: Discussions on his motivation are beyond me. Maybe more Americans believe it was financially motivated. Anecdotal evidence (fun!) does say Americans are less shy about discussing money, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility that this would be discussed more openly, if not come to mind more quickly.

how do I know the comments were from Americans? by the poor spelling and punctuation....

Have you read this forum?

In defense* of the septic's what?.

Jævle firkantet drittsekk!

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The use/abuse of Livestrong funds angle is so potentially poisonous I'm not surprised 60 minutes stayed away from it. The Feds may not be so shy.